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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 12:58:59 GMT
Greetings from Austria, I have compiled a list of false pastors who believe they are perverting, lying and falsifying (DS) the true dual seedline doctrine. I would recommend not contacting these people. YAHWEH bless,
Anglo Israelite Christian Church - Austria Senior Pastor Juergen
Paul Mullet Aryan Nations Jeremy Visser Covenant People's Ministry Martin Lindstedt Aryan Nations Eli James ( Joseph November) Anglo-Saxon Israel Morris Gulett Church of the sons of yahweh and arian nations Richard Bertollini ( Vince Bret ) 11th Hour Remnant Messenger William Finck Christogenea Andrew Hitchcock Aug circle Billy Roper Etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 20:06:08 GMT
Hey everyone, if the Anglo Israelite Christian Church wants to start a conversation of our own, we should think about what we really want, do we want to teach British Israelism or One Seedliner or Two Seeds or all together? Because if we want our own conversation, it needs one clear line, and I'm 100 percent Dual Seedline as taught by Dr Wesley Swift and Bertrand Comparet! I must reiterate the need for a Christian Israelite Dual Seedline Bible Course of its own, as I don't think Kingdom Identity Ministries will be running courses for much longer. YAHWEH bless,
IN HIS SERVICE, Pastor Jürgen
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Post by professorx on Sept 18, 2022 22:27:33 GMT
The Anglo Israelite Christian church is a two seed line church and we have been trying to become a separate denomination from so-called Christian Identity aka CI churches since every kind of religion participates in CI. As long as we say that we are Anglo Israelite Christians it clearly means that we are two seed line Christians that believe the Anglo Saxons and their kindred people are the Israelites of the Bible. It also means that there is a pre-Adamic people and that Satan has offspring in this earth.
As I understand it you proposed to begin a course of study that would lead to some kind of diploma or degree for those who want to learn the Bible and for those who want to become church leaders and pastors. This is my opinion and nothing except that. You could ask the people at Kingdom Identity Ministries to endorse an effort to carry on with the course (you don't need their permission to offer the course.) The course material could be reproduced in an easier typestyle to read and you can produce your own tests. If they are agreeable, they could refer future students to AICC. If they don't like the idea and you wanted to keep that course and use it that would be an option. Put that idea in your mind and then think about what else I suggest.
My suggestion is that we offer Strittmatter's course in Bible Law as a certificate program. You could reproduce Comparet's Bible study course which is the one you graduated from and make it a diploma or maybe a lesser degree program. For those who want an advanced degree in theology you could require students to take those two programs we just discussed and once they graduate from them they study the same curriculum that used to be offered from the Church of Israel. In the advanced course they would study Epistemology, Bibliology, Cosmology and so on. We could adapt the courses to our own beliefs. The Church of Israel course was intense. It's probably not offered any longer as not many people could pass the tests. If you want to have qualified ministers they should have the training.
The Church of Israel does not believe in resistance to evil except through hiding and praying to Yahweh. The AICC does not share in that view. If that view had been held by the founders of America we would never have a had a country for Yahweh to bless. We do and that should demonstrate that resistance to evil is biblical. The Church of Israel teaches that the flood was world-wide. It was not. Wesley Swift and Bertrand Comparet never taught a universal flood. It is only small differences between what our tenets of faith are and those of people connected to the Church of Israel. We're not adversaries of their church but we do have some differences. Standing up to evil and engaging in physical warfare when the circumstances dictate seems to be the biggest difference. We don't see those things as being enough to become enemies of that group so I'm willing to use their material in making a degree program of systematic conceptual theology.
Let me get back to your first post. We can try to work with Kingdom Identity Ministries and take over any tasks that they would like to transfer to us. If they don't want to do that we can always use the course and the materials since none of it is copyrighted. We aren't stealing anything nor would we deny authors the credit for their work. There would be no legal or ethical problems there. We would have to retype the course for ease of reading and create our own tests. When Mike Hallimore passed on his replacement had asked us to help grade papers for the school but then never contacted us after we agreed to do the work - free of course. What do you think?
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Post by The Resister on Sept 19, 2022 3:35:37 GMT
I merged two posts into this one topic for a couple of reasons. The second post wasn't in the religious forum and we do need to talk about how the Anglo Israelite Christian Church is different from many so-called " Christian Identity" churches. If you look into most sources, Christian Identity is descended from British Israelism. The biggest difference in the initial philosophies is that, according to the sources, that Howard Rand coined the term Christian Identity as a transitional term that came to differentiate between the identity of the descendants of Judah. British Israelism holds that the Jews are of the tribe of Judah whereas Christian Identity disavows such a position and contends that Germany is Judah. Here is an article that explains one interpretation of who Judah might be (according to one sect of British Israelites): ensignmessage.com/articles/the-remnant-of-judah-revealed-in-germany-2/These people claim that not all Germans are of Judah though many are, but then they also believe that Jews are Judah. In the political world, in the United States, ANYONE who believes that white people are descendants of the tribes of Israel are considered traitors, bigots, Nazis, hate mongers, racists, etc., etc., etc. On liberal sites it is kosher / acceptable / encouraged to threaten, censor, and berate anyone that isn't on the multicultural bandwagon. Two seed line or not, if you believe that whites are Israelites, the mainstream labels you as Christian Identity. And some people within white supremacy give lip service and verbal support to Christian Identity because it doesn't seek to go along in order to get along. That makes it difficult for CI ministries when they are being tied to political violence. So, we needed a separate denomination to be able to spread the Good News of the Gospel of the Kingdom without the usual guilt by association propaganda war waged by liberals. If the left claims we are " anti- semitic" they are liars as they are not telling you what the Bible says about the descendants of Shem (from where "semitic" is derived from.) All of that means that we must have a separate denomination and a school whereby those called by God can study and become qualified pastors. ProfessorX has done an excellent job above of steering this thread into a discussion of how we can best create that program of study. If Pastor Jurgen feels called to begin developing the course, I will provide him with the materials necessary. If we are to continue, I want to include a few examples of what makes the AICC different from the other groups professing the Bible truth of our Anglo origins.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 16:02:54 GMT
Hello yes, that doesn't sound bad what professorx wrote there, I know the Bible right course from Strittmatter, I did it myself 5 years ago. Yes we can use the Bible Law course plus 100 questions from the A.i.t course that would be enough for a certificate or diploma in Christian Education. What do you say to that?
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Post by professorx on Sept 19, 2022 18:04:55 GMT
Hello yes, that doesn't sound bad what professorx wrote there, I know the Bible right course from Strittmatter, I did it myself 5 years ago. Yes we can use the Bible Law course plus 100 questions from the A.i.t course that would be enough for a certificate or diploma in Christian Education. What do you say to that? I am excited to have that as a prospect. I'm a bit puzzled though. How did you think we were going to continue this conversation after you deleted your account? Maybe you should let someone know. You do realize you can contact church elders by using the contact feature on the church website don't you? Hopefully you will start another account and tell us what is going on.
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Post by Jürgen on Sept 19, 2022 18:25:06 GMT
sorry i had 2 accounts so i had to delete 1, no idea how that came about.
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Post by Jürgen on Sept 19, 2022 19:39:05 GMT
I could put together some test questions from ait bible course that we could then use for the students!?
In HIS Service, Jürgen
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Post by The Resister on Sept 20, 2022 4:54:28 GMT
I could put together some test questions from ait bible course that we could then use for the students!? In HIS Service, Jürgen If / when we ever decided to go with that course, we could have a discussion about tests. They key thing here is that the course needs to be re-typeset to make it more reader friendly. The type style is old, archaic, and small. If K.I.M. would endorse the project, it may come with some people willing to help underwrite some of the expenses. Copying Strittmatter's course and offering a diploma for people to complete it online is easy and a diploma would give people an incentive to actually complete the course. So, my first suggestion if you wanted to spearhead the effort is to contact Kingdom Identity Ministries and ask if they would endorse an effort by our church to reproduce the course and issue diplomas or degrees based on successful completion. If they'd rather not, we can still do it. We'd just be starting our effort without any outside help. Actually I didn't particularly like the way their tests were structured so we can work that out. But, right now if you're serious, let's see about contacting K.I.M. for their blessings and then plan on re-typing / formatting the course. See the font style of the Bible Law Course to see what their fonts and structure looks like compared to the course we took at K.I.M. sedm.org/LibertyU/BibleLawCourse.pdf
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Post by Jürgen on Sept 20, 2022 7:19:58 GMT
I could put together some test questions from ait bible course that we could then use for the students!? In HIS Service, Jürgen If / when we ever decided to go with that course, we could have a discussion about tests. They key thing here is that the course needs to be re-typeset to make it more reader friendly. The type style is old, archaic, and small. If K.I.M. would endorse the project, it may come with some people willing to help underwrite some of the expenses. Copying Strittmatter's course and offering a diploma for people to complete it online is easy and a diploma would give people an incentive to actually complete the course. So, my first suggestion if you wanted to spearhead the effort is to contact Kingdom Identity Ministries and ask if they would endorse an effort by our church to reproduce the course and issue diplomas or degrees based on successful completion. If they'd rather not, we can still do it. We'd just be starting our effort without any outside help. Actually I didn't particularly like the way their tests were structured so we can work that out. But, right now if you're serious, let's see about contacting K.I.M. for their blessings and then plan on re-typing / formatting the course. See the font style of the Bible Law Course to see what their fonts and structure looks like compared to the course we took at K.I.M. sedm.org/LibertyU/BibleLawCourse.pdf
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Post by Jürgen on Sept 20, 2022 7:24:39 GMT
We are welcome to get in touch with Kingdom Identity Ministries have no problem with that, I have written to you several times about other matters and have never had a reply.
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Post by The Resister on Sept 20, 2022 15:40:06 GMT
We are welcome to get in touch with Kingdom Identity Ministries have no problem with that, I have written to you several times about other matters and have never had a reply. There is something wrong with your computer, ISP, or maybe in how you send / receive e mails. It might be that, like me, you don't understand your computer or something related (sites, boards, etc.) I noticed that your e mail addy keeps changing; you keep deleting your profile here; now you say you never got a reply. I can assure you that I have personally replied to four recent e mails (one I may have just sent as the initial sender.) If you're not getting them, it may be due to a number of factors like how you set your spam filters, you don't check your spam and junk mail, or your ISP is blocking your e mails. for that reason we both know that if something does not require confidentiality, we can talk about it here on this forum. If we decide that we want to pursue this, I will try to contact K.I.M. via telephone and the regular U.S. Post Office - U.S. Snail Mail. If they fail to respond, silence is consent. FWIW, You do not have to delete your profile here every time you have an issue. Mods and admins can delete multiple posts if you make a mistake or want to move your comments from one forum to another. PM me or ProfessorX if / when problems arise. Yahweh Bless
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Post by The Resister on Sept 20, 2022 20:04:51 GMT
While we discuss the future of AICC, I wanted to address your list for those that may want to look up the people on your list. Most of the names on it are easily found with a simple Google search. Most of those on the list are at war with each other. The only entry that I'm unsure of is Eli James. I don't know him and know very little about him except that some less controversial figures are still friendly with Eli. If you have something specific about him, I'd like to weigh the evidence.
Maybe at some level by becoming a separate denomination we should never have to mention those people because we're no more affiliated with them than the Mormons are (and the Mormons are somewhat related to C.I.) If we aren't affiliated with them, there is no reason to defend ourselves from the anti-Christs who try to make a guilt by association link.
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Post by Jürgen on Sept 21, 2022 18:42:24 GMT
All I know about Eli James (Joseph November) is that he once worked very closely with Wilhelm Finck and Rev. Ray Larsen of the NKKKK and that he had a lot to do with Jeremy Visser. He is said to have Jewish roots, but no one has been able to prove that. YAHWEH bless,
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Post by The Resister on Sept 22, 2022 18:40:30 GMT
All I know about Eli James (Joseph November) is that he once worked very closely with Wilhelm Finck and Rev. Ray Larsen of the NKKKK and that he had a lot to do with Jeremy Visser. He is said to have Jewish roots, but no one has been able to prove that. YAHWEH bless, I've known a lot of people in the past. I recall the days way before the Internet that I listened to the left try to make the comparison between Swift's congregation and the views of the KKK. I was stupid enough to try and recruit them. I even performed a wedding ceremony at the West Georgia Fairgrounds where over 200 robed Klansmen were in attendance. I also clerked in the law office of Jimmy Venable. Venable was the last living original Knight of the KKK from when it was rebirthed atop Stone Mountain in Georgia back in the 1920s. With the Klan, the version that existed in the 1920s was tied to the Freemasons. Later versions (after the symbols, logos, etc. fell into the public domain) had KKK leaders like Thom Robb who is opposed to the Masons and the NEW WORLD ORDER. I spoke at some of the same functions that he did back in the 1980s, but never had a conversation with him. I did call his offices once and he never called me back, so after finding out what some of the other members were like, I never pursued a working relationship with him. I went on Finck's discussion board before I knew anything about him and lasted a whole 20 minutes. He banned me for promoting Comparet's views about the origin of Adam man. We had some heated words too afterward. I'll look into Eli. It will be interesting to find out who he is associated with and what his views are. Since I have a shadow that follows me wherever I go, it's a personal thing. That POS shadow lies about me, tries to dox me and I would literally beat him if I could find out who he really is. His lies made my life a living HELL for at least fifteen years. ProfessorX and I did go to one board that my shadow is on and destroyed some of their liberal positions before my shadow claimed that I was several other posters on that board. Rather than admit it, the board owner pretended that he put me in my place. He was offered a chance to do face time with Professor AND that board owner knew who I am since they posted video of me on his board. Okay, back to reality. Visser is an Indian with an identity problem. I suspect he does drugs and what is in the article is true: davidjamesboston.com/why-i-investigated-pastor-eli-james/Every time I try to investigate Eli, there is little to go on and plenty of stuff about Visser. I can tell you that what is being said about Visser IS fact. I live in Georgia and have dealt with him in person. In any event, rather than talk negatively about any of these people, my plan is to simply ignore the circus and build a ministry that leads by example. I'm not associated with them; have no contact with them; if the media tries to accuse me of being connected, it will backfire on them. Soooo... Given any thought to reproducing Comparet's curriculum so that it is easier to read and can be put online for potential students OR in the alternative, or in addition to, retyped so that it can be duplicated easier?
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