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Post by The Resister on Jan 21, 2023 12:11:33 GMT
If any one individual should feel like throwing in the towel, it would be me. If you go back to the early 2000s, I was fanning the flames of Freedom and warning against the NEW WORLD ORDER - you know things like SSN based National ID, womb to the tomb surveillance, National Socialist solutions to the immigration debacle, One World Government / One World Religion and all those poseurs like the so - called "Minutemen" all the way up to Donald Trump. I don't like being an I told you so, but I told you so... I publicly warned people a quarter of a century ago. That made for a bitter man until we pioneered the bill to abolish the BATFE that died last year. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced it as H.R. 3960 and it died for lack of support. We set up a website, passed out business cards, passed out flyers, went on discussion boards and social media and failed. Now Rep. Matt Gaetz has reintroduced the idea.
As usual dumb asses and defeatists are at work telling you that the bill will never become law. How shortsighted! The right gives up before they fight. Do you think that the Lautenberg Amendment would have passed on its own? NO way. That is why it was added as an amendment to a budget bill. How come you suppose the Republicans can't do the same thing with a bill to abolish the BATFE? If the liberals had to contend with that every time they put a proposal on the table, don't you think they'd back off the gun control B.S.? If every time they wanted to do something like - say the Universal Background Check, it could only pass if they agreed to a rider to the bill abolishing the BATFE, how long before we had some legitimate discussions about gun violence? If the Democrats couldn't get a budget bill passed without an amendment to abolish the BATFE, how long before they negotiate with us in good faith?
And this time, I'm telling you straight up: I'm tired of the B.S. The primary reasons the right doesn't win on gun control is basically twofold: The Republicans play the gun Rights people AND they avoid accountability because the gun lobby doesn't offer alternatives to gun violence and force Republicans to, at the very least, discuss it. For the last three and a half decades I studied the issue in think tanks and on my own, putting in thousands of legal research hours. How could we reduce and even prevent gun violence without gun control? How could we do that without jeopardizing our other constitutional guarantees? There is one thing here that the right wing believes (and it's partly true): the right isn't smart enough to outwit the left at this juncture. They give up too easy. Let us take the current Fair Tax legislation. The Republicans know it's better than the current illegal scheme; however, the whole IRS / income tax / Federal Reserve is of the Republicans making and they aren't going to pass the Fair Tax. That is why they will vote on it while Biden is the pretend president. They know it won't get past him. They vote on it and lose - case closed. Go to the next issue. No, no, no, no, no. That is not the way you do it. If at first you don't succeed, try try again.
With gun control, the first time the gun people hear the outline they go to sleep. IF any of them stay awake for just the outline, they start criticizing it without any debate. They accuse me of being after their pain medications or their pot. In the three and half decades that I've been working on this (and refining it after court rulings that may affect some aspect of it) I haven't had one single person agree to a debate just so they would see I did my homework. Yet I could virtually end mass shootings without gun control, without raising taxes, without giving up ANY Right in the Bill of Rights. That would have a trickle down effect that would catch a lot of nutjobs that kill family members, co workers, etc. It's a damn great deal, but it needs other people to STUDY it, propose it and defend it.
We can't keep allowing the politicians to control us. To come back to the Fair Tax and how they will play the people, let me tell you WHY. When the Fair Tax was first proposed, the right was winning a LOT of battles. The 14th and 16th Amendments were on the ropes. People were proving that if you worked for wages, you were not subject to the income tax in many instances. People were reclaiming their Preamble status under the Constitution. Most of all National ID was nearly dealt a death blow. Then 9 / 11 happened. That gave a pretext for the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify bills. 9 / 11 saved the pretext for keeping the Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" for socialist National ID. That is WHY the Fair Tax isn't going anywhere any time soon. We have enough people to fight the fights. The Bible says we are destroyed for a lack of knowledge (Hosea 4: 6.) We are simply losing because there is a lack of knowledge. There is plenty of information, just a lack of knowledge.
That brings us to HOW we fight back. BEFORE 9 / 11 the Militia of Georgia had developed a blueprint that consists of 12 stages toward change. It goes through organizing, creating think tanks, influencing public opinion, getting people elected to public office, political strategies, political guerrilla warfare, propaganda, education, monitoring the elected officials, passive resistance, noncompliance / civil disobedience, all the way to extraordinary actions. It was working great. It's just that the left outmaneuvered the right and flipped the most patriotic of all Americans. They conned them into supporting socialism and accepting the POLICE STATE, National Socialism, National ID, the surveillance society, cultural amalgamation and left wing solutions to our nation's problems. Now that we've experienced the losses; now that our country is basically gone, we can admit that the cycle of history is about to start over. It's up to YOU to support what we're offering here and be part of something that can succeed.
The Cycle of History
Bondage Spiritual Faith Courage Liberty Abundance Selfishness Complacency Apathy Dependence Then starting over with Bondage
We are in bondage. Fortunately, with the advances in technology, we don't have to stay there as long as previous generations. Are you with us?
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Post by weaponoffreedom on Jan 21, 2023 13:48:19 GMT
My point is..........there is no "we"........until a reason exists that is sufficient to create that "we". It is pretty simple. An example of this perhaps is the Cliven Bundy incident in my home state of Nevada. Where as many felt that the situation was worth fighting for.
Fire spreads to the areas that are flammable.
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Post by noclevername on Jan 21, 2023 17:19:12 GMT
My point is..........there is no "we"........until a reason exists that is sufficient to create that "we". It is pretty simple. An example of this perhaps is the Cliven Bundy incident in my home state of Nevada. Where as many felt that the situation was worth fighting for. Fire spreads to the areas that are flammable. Don't you think that the gov't scamming gun owners will create another class of we? Thanks guys for having a discussion instead of a series of one liners. The attack on gun rights or the immigration issue is sufficient to create a we. If people appreciated their cultural heritage there is another we. Had to add that TNP NutnFancy has the same issue with nonsupport. YouTube is shutting down pro-gun content and he went to Rumble.com and Paetreon ? but said his followers weren't leaving YouTube. It will be a fight to rebuild.
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Post by weaponoffreedom on Jan 21, 2023 20:50:27 GMT
There are of course, the crazies, who talk and talk and talk and talk.....but never really do anything.......and when they do, the message is unclear or, not accepted by its intended viewers.
Lets say, Randy Weaver....and the Ruby Ridge incident. What happened to him was just about as bad is it gets when it comes to BIG GOVT exerting its power on the little man. Where was the big revolution then? I still feel to this day, sorrow for him as his life was destroyed by the events of that situation.............where was the cavalry then? No such cavalry went to his aid? Why? In the end, Weaver was found not guilty and the ATF was in the wrong, but thios was long after the damage was done.
I submit their "line in the sand" had not been crossed, and there fore no action.
Guys, I think the militia is you and me and my wife and daughter and son, my friend and my enemy........and that the place of an armed citizenry is to keep GOVT in check......
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Post by The Resister on Jan 22, 2023 4:36:06 GMT
There are of course, the crazies, who talk and talk and talk and talk.....but never really do anything.......and when they do, the message is unclear or, not accepted by its intended viewers. Lets say, Randy Weaver....and the Ruby Ridge incident. What happened to him was just about as bad is it gets when it comes to BIG GOVT exerting its power on the little man. Where was the big revolution then? I still feel to this day, sorrow for him as his life was destroyed by the events of that situation.............where was the cavalry then? No such cavalry went to his aid? Why? In the end, Weaver was found not guilty and the ATF was in the wrong, but thios was long after the damage was done. I submit their "line in the sand" had not been crossed, and there fore no action. Guys, I think the militia is you and me and my wife and daughter and son, my friend and my enemy........and that the place of an armed citizenry is to keep GOVT in check...... Here is what I think: Randy Weaver existed before the Internet was a thing and even IF it had been, Weaver was off the grid, a loner and had no access to a support system. You are talking about an event that is over three decades ago!Secondary to that, in the grand scheme of things, you are putting the cart before the horse. You don't just offer up troops to fight a war you haven't prepared for. STEP ONE: People must be united by a common philosophy. Have YOU adopted The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man? Until you've done that, you're light years away from even knowing when your Liberties have been jeopardized to the point of needing an extraordinary action. Third point: WHEN people have come under fire from the government there are instances where a stand-off has proven to be effective UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. See how that is put into bold letters? We proved that in Georgia back in 1985: apnews.com/article/ac8397bc5bac3796a22261a6fa0da612Your experiences and what you heard, saw or read about in the MSM does not equal my own personal experiences. But, I tell you today: Dot your I s and cross your T s BEFORE you leave your house with a firearm expecting a confrontation with any branch of government. You keep writing about the LAST option before enlisting the hard work of exhausting your nonviolent political and legal avenues of redress. You have NO idea what it's like to go up against the government. And I'll level with you: I'm posting about things I've had personal experiences with over the last four and half decades plus. In the course of those years I've manned the border, been involved in marches and protests, an armed standoff, been on all kinds of media, debated top tier people, served as a lobbyist, campaign manager, an elected official, an officer of the court, and have been on EVERY side of the legal system: defendant, plaintiff, expert witness and once served as a jury foreman. I started out as a teen working in a think tank to influence politicians on immigration issues. Letters of the editors of local newspapers got the attention of movers and shakers of the era and I went with it. It used to be that I would tell people that, expecting that they would give me the benefit of the doubt, check it out and then accept my experiences for the value they had. In real life it don't work that way, but I'm over it. Having been pissed off at stupidity in general, today it is laughable that the people only want to follow a bloated billionaire that inherited his money, never read a book, never put his ass on the line for this country and don't have a damn clue as to what it takes to get laws passed. Now you're telling me what doesn't work, but haven't related what you've done, sacrificed, accomplished or currently involved in that would lead me to believe that I should throw in the towel as you have. Why should I put my hands in my pocket, stare at the floor and declare defeat? Why should I do that when you seem not to be able to even get to STEP ONE of what needs to be done before taking on Uncle Scam in the streets? Convince me.
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Post by weaponoffreedom on Jan 22, 2023 15:37:37 GMT
Right, so your own experiences are superior to my own, I understand as you have made that clear in many post to many people. You are the smartest and most experienced. I get it. To be honest, I am not sure why anyone else on this forum even chimes in on a topic, to opine one anything. It seems more that this is a lecture from a class in "why you should listen to me". Arguiqng from a "point of authority" is false, and just because you have all these "experiences" does not equate to anything, but attendance. You seem like an educated person. My personal experiences are irrelevant, being as yours are clearly superior to my own. They are of a more physical and deliberate nature than the academia that you tout. Not more important, just a different side. I have looked into the eyes of several men, and have a understanding of what it means to end a life.....face to face. There is no glory in it. I have seen the "best" soldiers cower in fright whilst the ones who were coined as "weak" save the fucking day. Most people are cowards and weak and tout themselves as having a constitution, but the Nazis proved human nature to be much much different. Again, your experiences are much more superior to my own. So I will end it there. I have seen you post and remind the "world" of how smart you are, and all your levels of experience, and expect those in the reach of your "voice" to heed and accept as absolute fact, GOD level fact, and if questioned, strike down with endless interpretation of doctrine and literature, and nicely worded attacks. And yes I suppose I am telling you what does not work........not in the general..............but yes..........and the proof is in your very words ,and to a point, this site. I have taken a look at other replies on this site, and have found a few things that should have told you this in your fifty years of experience........I think I counted 24 "current" members of this forum. Out of the recorded 833 posts or replies 48.5% of them are yours........24 "current members" I bring up because I know of one who is no longer active, so the truth is that most of the 24 are not "current" at all. I am 5th on the list. So, where you have failed.........you have a common problem with smart people..........you think you are smarter than you really are. You look at your experiences and interpret them as "truth". Not discounting the value of those experiences.....but nonetheless....they have not been as effective as you see them to be. on EVERY side of the legal system: defendant, plaintiff, expert witness and once served as a jury foreman. I started out as a teen working in a think tank to influence politicians on immigration issues. Letters of the editors of local newspapers got the attention of movers and shakers of the era and I went with it. All the above references are great, and it seems to be substantial........but one issue......they are still part of a broken system, as system that has been corrupted perhaps more than any other. If a politician is in GOVT for 50 years and the same issues exist, the only rational conclusion is that, that politician is either ineffective, or very effective to their own ends. If you are so influential and pivotal to these systems, then your influence must, by your own accord, be ineffective. Sure you could say "without my fight, things could be worse" but that is that same thing as our GOVT saying "we have not had a terrorist attack since 911 because we were there to stop them." You want me to convince you? That would seem to be impossible. Experience you have? Yes, perhaps, but bad experience, sure. Proof? You ask me to show proof and to convince.........the proof is in the systems that you tout as being so experienced, continue to be failed and corrupt..... and in this forum itself, and its glaring popularity and membership and continuing active involvement, which is basically 0. What doesnt work? You and your tactics. What am I involved in? Telling the truth, and now I have told it to you. I will look to see out of a decent respect for you, to see your response. But after that, I will no longer participate in this forum. As i think that is your real endgame, whether you know it or not.
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Post by The Resister on Jan 22, 2023 18:37:16 GMT
Right, so your own experiences are superior to my own, I understand as you have made that clear in many post to many people. You are the smartest and most experienced. I get it. To be honest, I am not sure why anyone else on this forum even chimes in on a topic, to opine one anything. It seems more that this is a lecture from a class in "why you should listen to me". Arguiqng from a "point of authority" is false, and just because you have all these "experiences" does not equate to anything, but attendance. You seem like an educated person. My personal experiences are irrelevant, being as yours are clearly superior to my own. They are of a more physical and deliberate nature than the academia that you tout. Not more important, just a different side. I have looked into the eyes of several men, and have a understanding of what it means to end a life.....face to face. There is no glory in it. I have seen the "best" soldiers cower in fright whilst the ones who were coined as "weak" save the fucking day. Most people are cowards and weak and tout themselves as having a constitution, but the Nazis proved human nature to be much much different. Again, your experiences are much more superior to my own. So I will end it there. I have seen you post and remind the "world" of how smart you are, and all your levels of experience, and expect those in the reach of your "voice" to heed and accept as absolute fact, GOD level fact, and if questioned, strike down with endless interpretation of doctrine and literature, and nicely worded attacks. And yes I suppose I am telling you what does not work........not in the general..............but yes..........and the proof is in your very words ,and to a point, this site. I have taken a look at other replies on this site, and have found a few things that should have told you this in your fifty years of experience........I think I counted 24 "current" members of this forum. Out of the recorded 833 posts or replies 48.5% of them are yours........24 "current members" I bring up because I know of one who is no longer active, so the truth is that most of the 24 are not "current" at all. I am 5th on the list. So, where you have failed.........you have a common problem with smart people..........you think you are smarter than you really are. You look at your experiences and interpret them as "truth". Not discounting the value of those experiences.....but nonetheless....they have not been as effective as you see them to be. on EVERY side of the legal system: defendant, plaintiff, expert witness and once served as a jury foreman. I started out as a teen working in a think tank to influence politicians on immigration issues. Letters of the editors of local newspapers got the attention of movers and shakers of the era and I went with it. All the above references are great, and it seems to be substantial........but one issue......they are still part of a broken system, as system that has been corrupted perhaps more than any other. If a politician is in GOVT for 50 years and the same issues exist, the only rational conclusion is that, that politician is either ineffective, or very effective to their own ends. If you are so influential and pivotal to these systems, then your influence must, by your own accord, be ineffective. Sure you could say "without my fight, things could be worse" but that is that same thing as our GOVT saying "we have not had a terrorist attack since 911 because we were there to stop them." You want me to convince you? That would seem to be impossible. Experience you have? Yes, perhaps, but bad experience, sure. Proof? You ask me to show proof and to convince.........the proof is in the systems that you tout as being so experienced, continue to be failed and corrupt..... and in this forum itself, and its glaring popularity and membership and continuing active involvement, which is basically 0. What doesnt work? You and your tactics. What am I involved in? Telling the truth, and now I have told it to you. I will look to see out of a decent respect for you, to see your response. But after that, I will no longer participate in this forum. As i think that is your real endgame, whether you know it or not. Hmmm. I don't know what to make out of your posting except that, unless I am as committed to losing as you are, then we shouldn't be friends and looking for common ground. I've been wrong a few times. One time we had a naysayer that sounded like you (I'm not implying you will end up being like him.) He always wanted proof; he wanted us to justify what we were doing. Yet every month he showed up at the public militia meetings. He joined. And, once he wormed his way into a temporary position of being appointed the temporary Captain of a newly formed unit, he proceeded to try and take the entire Militia of Georgia organization down. He hasn't even been nominated or voted in by the people of his unit and he's trying to take the whole militia over. He incorporated the militia in an effort to shut the militia down. He became a Confidential Informant in an effort to take me down. He made up a B.S. story that I was teaching people how to build silencers and urging them to shoot people at roadblocks. The LEOs generated reports about me and plotted on how to kick in my doors and kill me, claiming I resisted arrest. They planned it out. Fortunately, a reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution was at the meeting where I allegedly taught people this skillset and he KNEW it was B.S. He saved my ass for the price of an exclusive on the story. He exposed what the LEOs were doing. The ring leader of it got his due (or some legal measure of it.) But, the basic damage had been done. The incorporated version of the militia managed to recruit the trouble makers and, in one instance, they recruited a convicted child molester that the FBI set free in exchange for setting up militia leaders. Those leaders who defected ended up in jail, prison, working as Confidential Informants or dead. One of them got put in prison for taking an AK 47 to a courthouse and trying to take it over. Several more ended up in prison over conversations in a coffee shop that waitresses overheard. On and on the stories go. I'll bet you're wondering the relevancy to this topic. You said that my experience was bad. I look at the numbers of people who rejected sound counsel. What happened to them? Do you know of any ACTIVE militia leaders from the 1990s? Do you even know of a militia group that survived from the 1990s? All of them were taken out by the early 2000s. My survival story is my success story. People that know me, even those that don't like me, have to admit that I do not advocate nor condone illegal actions in public or private. If you're doing something illegal then keep it to yourself and others can't ever be accused of ratting you out. I don't keep anything illegal in my home as even a domestic dispute you don't plan on may get your home searched. Why take chances if you never started with STEP ONE as I described earlier? Effectiveness - Not only did I pioneer the idea to abolish the BATFE before Gaetz, but the whole idea of the Fair Tax was started as a result of the Patriot Network meetings that our organization put together and funded. It was my own U.S. Congressman, John Linder, that first introduced the Fair Tax. It was the most researched legislation in U.S. history. AND, just as it was being introduced, the left had flipped the right on National ID. THAT gave the pretext to keep the 16th Amendment intact in order to use the SSN as the unique identifier. But, the idea is STILL in consideration, albeit to pacify those who think like what you're advocating - if you don't win on the first try, screw it. Give up. Right? We were so close to winning in the late 1990s. The whole idea of Liberty is a journey, not a destination. You have to fight to get where you want to go and constantly struggle to stay there. That's life. It's easier to submit to a yoke of slavery. I wrestle with the issue of how ineffective I was versus whether or not we may have done some good. Some of the political issues are still in play. We are nearing the final phase on some other answers like gun control where we will either give them up or fight back. HOWEVER, you must always be pursuing nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress even if you're having to prepare for war - or actually engaged in a war. I sense a disconnect with you on that count. In my own life I am prepared. I could shut my doors and not leave my property for a year. That is effective prepping. Since I could potentially raise enough food beyond the preps, I'm okay for a while. I didn't go to jai or prison; never sold anyone out to the LEOs; never lost a legal case. Some of my political ideas from the past are still in play. And, you won't see naysayers debate me on the proposals that aren't in play... sooo.. what do you think they are really afraid of? Our program S.P.I.K.E. (Specially Prepared Individuals for Key Events) was initiated by a former Green Beret and CIA operative. It is the same skill sets that were taught to Green Berets, Rangers, SEALs, CIA ops and other SPEC OPS types. We're good there. What is the alternative weaponoffreedom? Do we just check in with discussion boards where people are miserable and want to cry and complain, but do nothing? Do we vote for the bloated billionaire that failed miserably and then attempted to sell the right out? Do we give up because the conversation isn't pleasant every exchange? If so, why be IN the fight at all? You seem to know of a secret agenda that exists here or with me OR maybe an ulterior motive? At best I'm experimenting to get you to do some introspective searching within yourself. I spent a couple of decades getting my ass kicked, but I spent a couple winning and I know that the political pendulum swings back and forth. IF / WHEN the SHTF happens I am ready morally, economically, socially, legally, politically and ethically. I want that for you. But, it seems to me that you are content to wallow in misery and predict gloom and doom. If I'm wrong, then it's up to you to step up to the plate.
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Post by weaponoffreedom on Jan 22, 2023 22:06:49 GMT
Thank you for your time, but I have said my piece. I promised to read your reply, and so I have. Good luck to all.
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Post by professorx on Jan 23, 2023 3:26:40 GMT
Thank you for your time, but I have said my piece. I promised to read your reply, and so I have. Good luck to all. It appears you came here just to try and play a mind **** with The Resister. One of the cardinal rules against the F word had to be broken just to address this kind of trolling. What you are advocating is direct confrontation by the gun owners toward the government. It is people like you that send people to jail or Hell with your words and behind them are little to no action. You talk of actions being ineffective. Your approach only benefits the left. Who do you really work for?
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Post by noclevername on Jan 23, 2023 18:41:27 GMT
This was an excellent thread until that w. of f. guy started being a drama queen. People need to learn how to stand together and have disagreements. Needless to tell you but that poseur didn't make any friends on this board.
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Post by noclevername on Jan 23, 2023 18:43:59 GMT
Okay curiosity killed the cat but how do we know when the government has gone too far? How do we really know what is constitutional and when we should act? I am sure that this answer will be met with opposition. There is no right or wrong answer
"when should WE act"
The short answer is there is no "WE". I think that in these hypothetical times, the answer resides in the individual. I am sure that my limits are different than some others, it is the nature of things.
My answer to this question is:...........Enough is enough when "I" say it is. When the uncomfortability, of the situation becomes too great to bear, when I am faced with a situation that I do not think I could stand, morally, and the like.
I suppose the question also poses a question as to "when is it a righteous act". I find this version of the question to be more important and valueble. I reckon that if it is truly righteous, then most would agree........the legal and or historical answer to this is irrelevant, because, you would be fighting against the system, and the system would not concede to your point of view.
Right is right even if just a few stand up for it. If you get fed up and stand with even a small group you will make an impact. On your own when the feds come a knocking you will just be fresh meat with no support system.
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Post by noclevername on Feb 21, 2024 19:41:36 GMT
Thanks to U.S. Resisters for that really great meeting. It became necessary to come back here and read the thread again before saying my piece given what weaponoffreedom had to say. Nobody at the meeting tried to claim they were smarter than any other person. Questions were raised and when there is twenty minutes to address an issue it would be many paragraphs on this board. You all do not realize what you miss by not getting involved in the real work these guys do. That is off my chest it is time to get down to the subject at hand.
At the meeting it was pointed out that all change begins with a dedicated few. Reference was made to Jesus having only twelve apostles and how few signed the DOI in 1776. The one thing that really stuck was when the Resister quoted a part of the DOI as to why people refuse to act. *all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.* That will stick for a really long time. If people could witness the news articles generated by the militia in years past they would be surprised. How it ended so abruptly will be for commentators to hash out and debate. The militia is all of us that decide to fight against the evils of dictators. Will the majority of people stand together? Doubtful. Most will let their countrymen fall and then post nonsense about it on discussion forums and social media. There is still a time coming when we will have to make hard choices because the only constant in life is change.
Last night when it was said that we could either act or react it struck a chord in me. It seems to me that people want to come and hear about how we all join in and beat the bad guys. When the answer is not that simple they get mad and accuse others of thinking they are smarter than anyone else. weaponoffreedom could not be more wrong. When you act you do not want to go to jail or hell - to borrow another line from last night. The objective is to be effective and with as little risk as possible. With the majority of people trying to follow political gods there will be no great change for at least a couple of years unless all hell breaks loose in this country. The current crop of egotists and old guys with dementia will soon be gone and they will leave a giant mess for the younger generations to sort out. It means more people should get in the conversation. That is what needed to be said.
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