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Post by john51 on Jan 3, 2023 19:32:54 GMT
Hello I'm John from Berlin Germany and am a dual seedline Christian Israelite and am a follower of Pastor Richard Butler and Dr Wesley Swift. To my question, does the ministry still exist in Austria and is the pastor still active and is he also a real dual seedline pastor? Did any of you know Pastor Richard Butler in your lifetime and was he, as many say, a prophet and a man of God? God bless
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Post by The Resister on Jan 3, 2023 19:55:56 GMT
Hello I'm John from Berlin Germany and am a dual seedline Christian Israelite and am a follower of Pastor Richard Butler and Dr Wesley Swift. To my question, does the ministry still exist in Austria and is the pastor still active and is he also a real dual seedline pastor? Did any of you know Pastor Richard Butler in your lifetime and was he, as many say, a prophet and a man of God? God bless Greetings. We ordained a graduate of the American Institute of Theology who started a church in Austria. His basic connection to the church here was via this board. As you can tell the board isn't getting many new posters. Sooo... the Austrian pastor is AWOL (Absent Without Leave.) I will contact him if you'd like. Or rather I will contact his personal e mail if he doesn't respond to the address on the website www.angloisraelites.comIf you try the addy listed on the website and don't get a reply, let us know. Let me know if you need help either way. We will update the site soon. The American Institute of Theology IS a dual seedline educational program. I knew Pastor Butler years ago. I don't really think of pastors being prophets, but he did advocate the dual seedline position. Dr. Wesley Swift was affiliated with Bertrand Comparet and Comparet was the man responsible for the course taught via the American Institute of Theology. I've been trying to get a podcast going; however, I've never met anyone that can actually get a podcast started. I have advertised to pay someone to teach me how to get one going. I'm going to make one more stab at during 2023. If I fail, I will accept as a sign from Yahweh. If someone checks in and we get it going, then you can expect me to do my part. I do have over four decades experience as a Christian Israelite. We hope that you will stay in touch and post here often. Yahweh Bless |
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Post by Jürgen on Jan 3, 2023 21:46:19 GMT
Hallo, ich bin John aus Berlin Deutschland und bin ein christlicher Israelit mit doppelter Samenlinie und ein Anhänger von Pastor Richard Butler und Dr. Wesley Swift. Zu meiner Frage, gibt es den Dienst noch in Österreich und ist der Pastor noch aktiv und ist er auch ein echter Dual-Seedline-Pastor? Hat jemand von Ihnen Pastor Richard Butler zu Lebzeiten gekannt und war er, wie viele sagen, ein Prophet und ein Mann Gottes? Gott segne |
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Post by Jürgen on Jan 3, 2023 21:47:55 GMT
Hello I'm John from Berlin Germany and am a dual seedline Christian Israelite and am a follower of Pastor Richard Butler and Dr Wesley Swift. To my question, does the ministry still exist in Austria and is the pastor still active and is he also a real dual seedline pastor? Did any of you know Pastor Richard Butler in your lifetime and was he, as many say, a prophet and a man of God? God bless Hello John, to your question if the Austrian Ministry is still active and if I am a real pastor for "dual seedline". 1 The ministry is active, but unfortunately I have to hold back a bit for health reasons. 2 I studied under a German Church of Jesus Christ/Christian Pastor for a few years and completed the American Institute of Theology Correspondence Bible Study Course and am ordained at "AICC". 3 I didn't know Pastor Richard Butler personally but I was in email contact with him from 1999-2001 and can only say good things about the pastor 100 percent "Dual Seedliner", although I don't understand his fraternization with nazis, kkk,odinists and skinheads the contacts and dealings with these people were not good, and because of that he lost his church. The Austrian Ministry does not tolerate kkk, skinheads, Nazis and Odinists! I hope they get in touch with my email address. Yahweh bless, In His Service, Pastor Jürgen |
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Post by john51 on Jan 17, 2023 14:20:53 GMT
Hello,thank you for your answer I would like to become a member of the Anglo Christian Israelite Church and be ordained as a pastor. I am a bit disappointed that the pastor of the Austrian Ministry of Churches does not accept National Socialists into his church. What is the position of AICC USA. God bless
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Post by professorx on Jan 18, 2023 2:47:57 GMT
Hello,thank you for your answer I would like to become a member of the Anglo Christian Israelite Church and be ordained as a pastor. I am a bit disappointed that the pastor of the Austrian Ministry of Churches does not accept National Socialists into his church. What is the position of AICC USA. God bless John I am a pastor in the AICC. Generally you must have been in training and then an associate pastor in order to get credentials in the AICC. In lieu of being in our church and taking the requisite courses in order to become a pastor, you can take the course from our affiliate American Institute of Theology. kingidentity.com/ait.htm Taking that course and the completion of the Bible Law Course would meet the minimum standards in order to be considered as a possible candidate for ordination. sheldonemrylibrary.famguardian.org/BibleStudyCourses/BibleLawCourse.htmNational Socialism is more associated with Catholicism. If you study some of the ideology that Richard Butler was exposed to, it might help you decide if you want to claim your Christian Israel heritage. Check that stuff out and post your thoughts and questions. I will ask the church elders about your questions as well. |
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Post by Jürgen on Jan 18, 2023 19:43:26 GMT
Hello,thank you for your answer I would like to become a member of the Anglo Christian Israelite Church and be ordained as a pastor. I am a bit disappointed that the pastor of the Austrian Ministry of Churches does not accept National Socialists into his church. What is the position of AICC USA. God bless John Hi John, you wrote that you are disappointed because I do not accept National Socialists in my church that has the reason that the National Socialists rather believe Odinists, atheists or the ideology of Pastor Richard Butler. I myself was a follower of Richard Butler, but today I represent the line of Pastor Wesley Swift and Pastor Bertrand Comparet, of course Butler was a great man and a tremendous preacher of the "dual seedline", but I also believe that Wesley Swift would not be satisfied with what has become of the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian". But I will help you, option 1. In the USA there is still an offshoot of the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations" or 2. In German-speaking Switzerland there is a small church that has Pastor Richard Butler's views of the "dual seedline doctrine", I can contact them if you want. 3. Or you can opt for AICC and the "American Institute of theology Bible study course. In my opinion, you do not necessarily need an ordination certificate to be a pastor the pastor in Switzerland does not have an ordination certificate and is a very good preacher of the "Dual Seedline doctrine". A certificate of Christian Education from the American Institute of Theology is quite sufficient as proof, because only YAHWEH can commission a man to be a shepherd! YAHWEH BLESS In HIS Service, Pastor of Aicc-Austria |
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Post by The Resister on Jan 19, 2023 5:07:39 GMT
Hello,thank you for your answer I would like to become a member of the Anglo Christian Israelite Church and be ordained as a pastor. I am a bit disappointed that the pastor of the Austrian Ministry of Churches does not accept National Socialists into his church. What is the position of AICC USA. God bless John Hi John, you wrote that you are disappointed because I do not accept National Socialists in my church that has the reason that the National Socialists rather believe Odinists, atheists or the ideology of Pastor Richard Butler. I myself was a follower of Richard Butler, but today I represent the line of Pastor Wesley Swift and Pastor Bertrand Comparet, of course Butler was a great man and a tremendous preacher of the "dual seedline", but I also believe that Wesley Swift would not be satisfied with what has become of the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian". But I will help you, option 1. In the USA there is still an offshoot of the "Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations" or 2. In German-speaking Switzerland there is a small church that has Pastor Richard Butler's views of the "dual seedline doctrine", I can contact them if you want. 3. Or you can opt for AICC and the "American Institute of theology Bible study course. In my opinion, you do not necessarily need an ordination certificate to be a pastor the pastor in Switzerland does not have an ordination certificate and is a very good preacher of the "Dual Seedline doctrine". A certificate of Christian Education from the American Institute of Theology is quite sufficient as proof, because only YAHWEH can commission a man to be a shepherd! YAHWEH BLESS In HIS Service, Pastor of Aicc-Austria I kind of agree with you about the value ordination and then I don't fully agree. It's a long story and if John wants us to discuss it we can. I want to direct my focus on National Socialism: There has always been an uneasy alliance in the white community between American patriots and Nazis. In Christian Identity, National Socialism is antithetical to the political values of American patriots. In early American history, the whites believed they were the chosen of God and that America is the New Jerusalem - the regathering spot for Israelites. Wesley Swift was a KKK supporter, not a Nazi. The mainstream basically acknowledges that much: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_A._SwiftThere is an old movie where Costas Garvas looks at this uneasy alliance. If you can get a copy the movie is Betrayed and it stars Tom Berenger. That movie would be worth a hundred back and forth posts between us. I might be able to help you if you can't find a copy. Having said that, there is strength in numbers and I think all of us would work better together. Being ordained gives one not only credibility, but also a valuable tool in reaching people via a network that exists when two or more congregate (as per the Bible.) |
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Post by Jürgen on Jan 19, 2023 19:19:47 GMT
In the USA this may be true, but in Europe and especially in Germany/Austria it looks different, because here there is no fraternization with the Nazi movement, the Christian identity or double-seedliner believers as crazy and idiots. With Richard Butler, for example, fraternization with the Nazi movements did more shadowing than helping, and an ordination certificate naturally lends credibility, but when I look at Martin Lindstedt, Visser and Co., but again not, but this is my personal opinion, a certificate of Christian Education from the American Institute of Theology is equivalent to an ordination certificate, Mike Hallimore told me, when I was still a student.
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Post by The Resister on Jan 20, 2023 16:29:48 GMT
In the USA this may be true, but in Europe and especially in Germany/Austria it looks different, because here there is no fraternization with the Nazi movement, the Christian identity or double-seedliner believers as crazy and idiots. With Richard Butler, for example, fraternization with the Nazi movements did more shadowing than helping, and an ordination certificate naturally lends credibility, but when I look at Martin Lindstedt, Visser and Co., but again not, but this is my personal opinion, a certificate of Christian Education from the American Institute of Theology is equivalent to an ordination certificate, Mike Hallimore told me, when I was still a student. When I inquired about ordination, Mike told me that AIT didn't issue ordination credentials, but most people would be semi-qualified to preach the Word. I was ordained in the World Church League and they later became affiliated with the LDS (Mormons.) I couldn't make that change. But, once ordained you are a minister for all intents and purposes. By becoming ordained within a church, the pastor is agreeing to conduct his business within the confines of that denomination. In the Anglo Israelite Christian Church we steer clear of socialism. For that reason, no individual like Geronimo Jeromy Visser, Martin Lindstedt, etc. could represent the church. Neither will the beliefs or actions of those men be mistaken for our tenets of faith no more so than any other denomination. Maybe Visser or Lindstedt or maybe both could be AIT graduates. But AIT could not disavow them effectively since there are no church standards by which to judge them (given that they are just graduates of a school, not ordained ministers of a denomination.) AIIC is still affiliated with the American Institute of Theology, but if they modified their teachings so as to acknowledge socialists, freemasons, etc. we would probably end the relationship. Think about it like this: Lawyers for organized crime may have graduated from Harvard Law School, but Harvard doesn't endorse crime nor the way lawyers for organized crime use their education. We have the same relationship relative to the American Institute of Theology. Graduation from the school gives one the knowledge to be a pastor, but it does not give them ordination credentials. In the United States, if you have three people and a written copy of your Tenets of Faith (something outlining what you believe in) and you worship together, you meet the legal definition of what a church is and are free to chose your own pastor without regard to any formal qualifications. Outside of that we have struggled with the issue of legal incorporation. Without incorporation we cannot receive donations because banks won't create a bank account for churches that aren't incorporated. Without donations, we don't have anyone rich enough to get us a presence on Youtube, Rumble, or a podcast. If we incorporate and the government decides they are offended by our message, they can revoke the non-profit status. Soooo... we're thinking we might just register as a corporate entity and pay taxes for the privilege of putting out the message. Of course, you being an affiliate church, you would have input into that decision as well. |
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