Bible Says America IS the New Jerusalem

There is a group that goes around America claiming that they want to "Make America Great Again." They want to pass a myriad of laws to correct what they think is wrong in America, but the irony is that most of what is wrong was initiated by the very political party whose bandwagon they want to associate with. That does not mean that I endorse the other major party. I don't. I used to have a bumper sticker on my car that read Democrats Have Never Met a Communist They Didn't Like. There is no shortage of linking the Republicans with the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, the 16th Amendment (IRS and income taxes), the so - called "Patriot Act," National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, etc,. etc. ad infinitum. The point is that both major political parties are going toward the same destination, just by different routes.

The method that people try to cast doubts on the premise that America is the New Jerusalem will be to use Saul Alinksy tactics. If you don't know what that is, post and we can start a thread to discuss it. Anyway, the antithesis of my premise ends with someone promoting multiculturalism and responding to this issue long before they have researched it or discussed it. So, watch them IF they find someone that actually thinks they can discuss this issue sensibly. But, coming back to it, if America were great at one time (and it was), then something made it great. And, if it were great, you don't return to that by passing more laws to try and fix what you did that screwed it up, you seek to find out WHAT it was that made America great. There are two things that are true, regardless of how unpopular they are today: The colonists saw themselves as being Israelites and they believed that America was the New Jerusalem. But, what about the old Jerusalem?

In Matthew 23: 36 thru 38 we read:

"36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." (emphasis mine, of course)

The old Jerusalem was abandoned and left desolate - as it pertains to a regathering spot or homeland for biblical Israel. Now let me cite the book of Zechariah so that you can see this for yourself:

"12 Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? 13 And the Lord answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. 14 So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 15 And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 16 Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the Lord shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem." Zechariah 1: 12 - 17

Since Jesus was in Palestine at that time, the cities shall be spread abroad (somewhere other than old Jerusalem) and He shall yet choose Jerusalem is an indication that there would be a regathering spot for biblical Israel. Could it have been what is now the United States?

On the social media site I was on, one guy who believes he has a monopoly on understanding claimed that America was the modern day Rome. Let's examine some facts so that we have a mutual understanding:

* Americans consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We are literally Drug Nation USA
* America has made a religion out of miscegenation and sexual perversion - If we don't lead the world in degeneracy, we come close
* Recently the courts have ruled we have to accommodate children that want to pretend to be a sex other than what they were born or be identified by their own defined pronouns
* Our banking system is run by Canaanites, Edomites and others who promote ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT
* Our political institutions have become Godless dens of liars, atheists, non-Christians, communists, pedophiles, socialists, homosexuals, etc., etc.
* Violence permeates our society at every level
* Whether Democrat or Republican, left or right, conservative or liberal - almost everybody thinks they have to prove they are the biggest negrophilist, globalist, or multiculturalist (and those decrying multiculturalism are the easiest to flip on that issue)
* We allow powerful forces to lie about our history and commit genocide against the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution.
* America has more people in prison than any nation on this planet

I can go all day long and make a case for the current times proving we are a modern day Babylon. Then I can go back to the history of our country and remind everybody that history is cyclical. Additionally, nations are judged and we can enjoy the blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience.

There is no dispute. When America was being founded and right on up until we began selling out, America became the greatest nation in the annals of history:

* IF you believe slavery to be evil, the states within the United States were the first in modern history to outlaw slavery. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution over half the states had already outlawed slavery; slaves in the U.S. received better treatment than in any other country - even being treated better than their White skin indentured servant contemporaries
* The Declaration of Independence acknowledges unalienable Rights (which are God given Rights.) What other country does that?
* The United States sends out more missionaries than all other countries combined!
* In America there were more advances in science, technology, medicine, travel and exploration in the first three hundred years than were made by any other country and that includes the Roman Empire which lasted 1,000 years (1,500, depending upon which historian is defining it)
* Americans have been involved in every major military conflict that took place since the Constitution was ratified. They have sent soldiers to die on foreign soil in numbers surpassing that of any other nation. Americans have given military aid, food, and other necessities and have never asked for an acre of land in return.

I could go on and on listing the praises of this country.  But, you should get the gist.  The invention of bifocals; vaccines for cholera, anthrax, rabies, typhoid fever, the plague, diphtheria, pertussis, tuberculosis, and yellow fever, mumps, chickenpox,  and many more were made in the U.S.A.  The pacemaker, the transistor (which ushered in the computer era), etc., etc. also from America.  What non-Christian country can boast such achievements?  What place on earth was more blessed than the United States?  And what were our national values during that time?  Any preacher that tells you different is ignorant of history or they are a liar.  No civilization has accomplished more and no country has ever given more.  When the country acknowledged the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob / Israel they were blessed above all other nations.  In obeying God we were blessed and when the country rejected their God they are cursed.  That has ZERO to do with the fact that the twelve tribes that were scattered abroad ended up in what we call the United States.  

I don't know how people who think they have a monopoly on Bible understanding decide the truth of a matter. In law, anything not denied is deemed to be admitted. If some guy says you stole his car and you don't dispute the allegation within 30 days of his filing a lawsuit, you lose by default. IF there were anything of substance to disprove the proposition I posited in this thread, then that Internet Keyboard Commando claiming a monopoly on understanding would be here to dispute it. But, you see, people like him can only succeed if people like me are censored. Be that as it may, the title of the thread should have something of substance. Rather than reinvent the wheel, this is the case in four easy links:

usa-the-republic.com/sheldon%20emry/old%20jerusalem%20not%20new%20jerusalem.html

site.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/new-jerusalem?lang=eng&adobe_mc_ref=https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/new-jerusalem?lang=eng&adobe_mc_sdid=SDID=09149DAD8F60ED48-6832AA8066D55BFF|MCORGID=66C5485451E56AAE0A490D45%40AdobeOrg|TS=1687465134&v=V02

www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

newensign.com/sdm_downloads/america-is-new-jerusalem/

IF anybody dares to criticize me it will most likely be on another site where I cannot respond. I do not endorse the churches of ANYBODY on that list; however, watch it anyone dares pretend to debate this. They will try to make a connection between myself and the links, claiming that since we agree on one issue, I must be one of them and believe in all of their other tenets of faith. That will be absolute B.S. and if you've read this far you know it. If anyone has any questions / comments about the subject, post 'em and we can discuss it.