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Post by The Resister on Jul 6, 2023 22:31:55 GMT
This is a discussion / debate about Critical Race Theory (CRT.) The liberals try to debate the topic in social media outlets that don't allow open debate. I'm calling them out. Let's get to the facts. According to the most pro - CRT source I could find, it states: "The NAACP Legal and Education Defense Fund defines critical race theory as “an academic and legal framework that denotes that systemic racism is part of American society — from education and housing to employment and healthcare.” Critical Race Theory recognizes that racism is more than the result of individual bias and prejudice. It is embedded in laws, policies, and institutions that uphold and reproduce racial inequalities." newsone.com/4319855/what-is-critical-race-theory/According to that same article, they credit Derrick Bell as the major influence along with the efforts of Richard Delgado, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Mari Matsuda, and Angela Harris. The article then posits the following as the framework for Critical Race Theory: Racism is difficult to resolve
Race is a social construct
Racism persists because of “interest convergence” –
Differential racialization
Intersectionality
Voice-of-Color You don't know what that is? Click on the link OR stay tuned as we will address this, point by point.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 7, 2023 2:05:29 GMT
BEFORE we address the framework of Critical Race Theory, we want to take a look at the people behind it. Starting with Derrick Bell, we find that: " Derrick Albert Bell Jr. (November 6, 1930 – October 5, 2011)[1] was an American lawyer, professor, and civil rights activist. Bell worked for first the U.S. Justice Department, then the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, where he supervised over 300 school desegregation cases in Mississippi." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_BellThe major influence of the N.A.A.C.P. was, according to their website, W.E.B. Dubois: naacp.org/about/our-historyAccording to the Communist Party USA: " W.E.B. Du Bois was the first African American to receive a Ph.D. from Harvard University. He encountered socialist ideas while he was studying in Germany, where he occasionally attended rallies of the German Social Democratic Party. A pioneer of U.S. sociology and prolific author, Du Bois was one of the founders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and was the first editor of its journal the Crisis.
In 1961, after a lifetime of scholarship and activism, he joined the Communist Party USA, saying ‘Capitalism cannot reform itself. Communism is the effort to give all…what they need and to ask of each the best they can contribute this is the only way of human life." www.cpusa.org/party_info/african-american-communist-w-e-b-du-bois-1868-1963/Sooo... Here comes the great deflection. Those who support CRT will claim that just because someone adopts the principles does not necessarily mean they are a communist. Bear in mind that I incurred the wrath for pointing out to the MAGA crowd that their proposed solutions to the immigration issue were textbook National Socialist proposals. In this case, it is not people merely adopting the talking points of communists, but whose movement was started by NAACP members. If it walks like a duck, has webbed feet, feathers like a duck and quacks, it is probably a duck. Let us proceed to address their major talking points in the next entry.
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Post by noclevername on Jul 7, 2023 16:51:18 GMT
This is typical for your efforts R. I see the view counter at 39 and know some of the CRT supporters have been here. It is a very good strategy to point out that the left thinks anything critical of them is MAGA and none of the administrators or moderators on this board are connected to Trump except to expose him. That is a lot different than the left that is connected to the NAACP and communists. If they weren't loyal to the communists they would find some other spokesman and some other approach. That is my view. Anxiously waiting to see where you go from here.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 7, 2023 21:10:55 GMT
Our next stop is to return to the article and take their points one by one: Racism is difficult to resolveLet’s talk about the elephant in the room. “ Racism” is being promoted as if it were a sin beyond pedophilia, murder, incest, rape, and even assault with the intent to murder. In reality it is a fact of life that needs no resolution. Let’s face the facts: China is 91 + percent Han Chinese. NOBODY has a problem with it. Korea is 95.6 percent + Korean NOBODY has a problem with it. Japan claims to be the most racially pure country on the globe. NOBODY has a problem with it. Zimbabwe is 99.7 percent Black. NOBODY has a problem with it. Then there is the United States. We are a country that has given the Israelis everything they have, from toothpicks to intercontinental ballistic missiles so they can have their own homeland. No forced multiculturalism there. NOBODY has a problem with it. But, in the United States, they are accused of racism (sic.) “Racism” is a fact of life and is more natural than something to be labeled and feared. We tolerate it for most of the rest of the world, but make accusations against Whites who desire what most of the rest of the world pursues without opposition or criticism. For the squeamish Whites (aka liberals), America was founded by White Christians for the advancement, preservation, and protection of their religion, culture, and race. The Preamble to the Constitution reads: “ We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Whites who deny my presupposition are either historically ignorant OR they are terrible liars. Let’s fix that. America was founded as a Christian nation. That is separate topic dealt with on this board. Then the we, the people, line was in reference to the White race. We know this because within a few weeks of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress passed the first naturalization law. It limited citizenship to “ free white persons. memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226This part of the reply will take several posts so that each part may be discussed / debated in the future. A continuation will follow.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 7, 2023 22:04:03 GMT
Racism is difficult to resolve (continued) If there were ever any doubt as to what was on the minds of the founders, framers, and statesmen who founded the United States and drew up its Constitution, it was made abundantly clear in the case of Dred Scott v. Sanford which was decided by the United States Supreme Court. In that decision, Chief Justice Roger Taney wrote: " The words 'people of the United States' and 'citizens' are synonymous terms, and mean the same thing. They both describe the political body who, according to our republican institutions, form the sovereignty, and who hold the power and conduct the Government through their representatives. They are what we familiarly call the 'sovereign people,' and every citizen is one of this people, and a constituent member of this sovereignty. The question before us is, whether the class of persons described in the plea in abatement compose a portion of this people, and are constituent members of this sovereignty? We think they are not, and that they are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States." www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/60/393That decision was handed down in 1857 and was the catalyst for the illegally ratified Fourteenth Amendment. Any White person who has not read that decision is UNQUALIFIED to criticize any side in this discussion / debate. But, that means I just proved that America was started by Whites for their mutual support, protection, and advancement... sooo... it's racist. Right? Suppose it is. Then why are the nonwhites in the United States STILL buying stuff from China, Korea, Japan, etc. that are equally " racist?" What makes any other people different than the Whites in the United States of America? How come that the Whites are prohibited from having their own homeland? To ask such a question is " racist." Right? That I ask such a question is all the proof that the left needs to subvert the Constitution and deny to me the First Amendment Right of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press. They label it as " Hate Speech" and silence anyone who dares to challenge the status quo. They pretend to be offended and use their degrees in Victimology to feign fear from anyone that dares challenge the current narrative. Then they can muster up those crocodile tears and rant about slavery and " America's dark past." My response is, What a load of absolute HORSE MANURE! In 1619 there was NO United States government; Whites controlled NOTHING. America was under British control. By the time of the ratification of the United States Constitution over half of the states had abolished slavery and the Constitution itself prohibited further importation of slaves into the United States after 1808. The states in what is now the United States were the FIRST in that era of history to abolish slavery. Adding insult to injury, Whites did not invent the institution of slavery. Slaves in the United States were treated better than the slaves of any other country on the globe - and most were practicing slavery during the founding period of our country. Just for the record, the first instance of a runaway slave in the U.S. it was a White man with a BLACK master. Continuing on, Black slaves in the U.S. were treated better, had better living quarters, ate better, were better dressed, had better medical care, had longer life spans, and made more money than their White indentured servant contemporaries (and most of those indentured servants didn't live long enough to secure their freedom.) As if that weren't enough, probably 6 to 8 percent of the Americans owned all the slaves. Blacks cannot legitimately punish those who had nothing to do with slavery - and most lived in far worse conditions than the Black people did. And another point: Blacks want credit for all the advancements in humanity during history. That would mean that they held my ancestors in slavery for over 400 years! My race has risen above slavery and adversity that today's Black people could never begin to fathom. Liberals have tried to instill a false guilt complex into the psyche of Whites. They have tried to convince them that Whites have no Right to seek a homeland and further their own interests. We have reserved this for the rest of the world, but have conned the White race into thinking there is something evil in having your own country. They coined an emotion laden buzz word called " racism" to get the Whites to give up America in fee simple to the Black race based upon a predominantly false narrative of history. I just called them out on it. Don't expect a response.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 8, 2023 16:40:57 GMT
Moving right along, we come to the next point in the Critical Race Theory's framework: Race is a social constructROTF. LMAO. LOL. ROTF. OMG. Am I making my point without the rant? The NAACP wants you to believe that race is a social construct. Why should you believe something THEY don't believe themselves? Don't think so? Sit down in a room with 20 CRT supporters. Tell them that recent study found that the average size of a White man's penis is over 7 inches long and the average Black man's penis is under 6 inches. You will learn in two minutes or less how little that Black people believe that race is a social construct. Secondly, we are talking about NAACP supporters. The C in that acronym is COLORED. Colored is a synonym for the Black race. The thing about race is that there is no universal agreement on how to define it. Therefore, many have the advantage of their own definition of race and they build their talking points around that definition. Wikipedia, which is liberal on the issue of race, promotes the FALSE claim that science somehow refuted the science of race and then ADMITTED (albeit inadvertently) that there are racial differences: " According to geneticist David Reich, "while race may be a social construct, differences in genetic ancestry that happen to correlate to many of today's racial constructs are real."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)If you take a place like Chicago you begin to understand that there is a difference in people. At every level of government in Chicago, the people are ruled by Blacks. City, county, state, and federal branches of government are run by Black people. ALL of the elected officials are Black. And their culture shows that they cannot assimilate into our country. They squander their resources; they abuse their rights (and it shows in the violence that they create for the controlled news media.) When confronted, they always blame White America for their shortcomings. They don't believe in that political buffoonery that race is a social construct. Otherwise they would hold themselves accountable and reduce the levels of violence and ignorance on their own. Even by the most ardent liberal, they cannot deny that differences exist and common sense shows that even when integrated, the Black community finds itself at odds with the concepts of individual Liberty and personal accountability.
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Post by professorx on Jul 9, 2023 4:03:24 GMT
It would be almost amazing to learn that the global elite have taken over without firing a shot. It is not amazing nonetheless. A dumbed down society now equates racism with superiority and presumes that is evil. Teens and adults alike will spend a hundred dollar bill or more for an NFL jersey because they think their team is the best. The NAACP wants to advance black people. We are told that the white race in America should be ashamed for things that they did not start but were the first to stop. Will we see the CRT crowd come here and dispute the facts? Continue on R. This is getting good.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 9, 2023 15:18:28 GMT
"Racism persists because of “interest convergence” – Derrick Bell When you're looking for a conversation starter for one of the points that Derrick Bell makes, you sometimes just have to take the best quote that summarizes the position. According to Derrick Bell: "... the "interest of blacks in achieving racial equality will only be accommodated only when it converges with the interests of whites" scholarworks.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=educationbookchaptersWhat Blacks do not understand is that anything that diminishes the culture, heritage, and identity of Whites is a threat to its continued existence. Then, again, maybe they DO understand it. Black genes are more predominant over White genes at a ratio of 4 to 1. That is one reason that Barack Obama, the child of a Black and a White, was called our " first" Black president. In the 1970s (when I first got forced into studying this stuff) the Black people made up about 15 percent of the population, but demanded 50 percent of the jobs. Today it's not much different. If the Black extremists don't see more nonwhite faces than White in ANY component of society they chalk it up to racism and equate that emotion laden buzz word with hate and intolerance. Such is the dishonesty of those who are seeking ways to conduct a subtle war of genocide against the White race. Differential racializationCRT supporters define differential racialization as: " Relates to race as a social construct. When the dominant group defines and redefines what it means to be a part of the minority group at different times in history to serve the shifting needs. Take, for example, the “ONE DROP RULE.”themisandthoth.com/critical-race-theory-explained/Critical Race Theory is a proposed solution looking for a problem to solve. Of course a majority group can define what constitutes a minority. The Talmud, which the Jews rely on, determines how many red hairs can be on a white dog before it can be called a red dog. The Black race, on the whole, votes for Democrats. And what do Democrats believe in? Is it not majority rule? Is that not how they determine what is fair and unfair; legal or illegal; right or wrong? Democrats have no use for unalienable Rights. The extremists are pissed off to no end that the majority in the United States, that is the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution, did not make them the social equal of the White man. Neither did the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, etc., etc. In that endeavor the extremists on BOTH sides of the political aisle think that you come to America, sign up and become a citizen, and poof you're an American. I've yet to understand the Whites perspective on this because they have a more anti-racist position than the NAACP does. The MAGA people don't care who comes here, provided they become a slave of the NEW WORLD ORDER - with its Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean " Social Security Number," National ID Card, and pledge of fealty to an illegal, unconstitutional, and de facto government based in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption that has taken a giant dump on the Constitution of the United States. Black extremists behind CRT can only envision an America free of the influence and presence of White people. In short they think Whites have an obligation to destroy their heritage, culture, institutions; erase their history; abolish the concepts of Liberty, individualism, and limited government; renounce their religion and values and give America in fee simple to ANYONE that is opposed to the founding race in America.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 10, 2023 21:06:03 GMT
Moving right along we come to Intersectionality. In all due honesty, those who espouse Critical Race Theory cannot give us a concise definition of what it is. I'll just quote from one article that is pretty representative of their description of it: " Intersectionality is a concept that enables us to recognize the fact that perceived group membership can make people vulnerable to various forms of bias, yet because we are simultaneously members of many groups, our complex identities can shape the specific way we each experience that bias. For example, men and women can often experience racism differently, just as women of different races can experience sexism differently, and so on. As a result, an intersectional approach goes beyond conventional analysis in order to focus our attention on injuries that we otherwise might not recognize . . . to 1) analyze social problems more fully; 2) shape more effective interventions; and 3) promote more inclusive coalitional advocacy. (p. 3)" journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1077800414557827RESPONSE: These crackpot social engineers have spent billions of billions of dollars to argue that race is a social construct on one hand and, on the other, denying White people the Right to define themselves. It's as if they think God gave them the authority to tell Whites that they do not exist. PART of their strategy, however, is to enlist all kinds of groups to their cause. For example, if a person is Black AND lesbian, they would get to deny that there is a White race AND they would get to claim they are being victimized due to their race AND sexual orientation. Because they can portray the Whites as an enemy of the lesbians AND the Black people, they get to build force multipliers based upon pure fantasy.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 11, 2023 2:15:06 GMT
We wind down our acknowledgement of their basic talking points with Voice of Color. (Check the OP to see their list of talking points) The quoted article in the OP has this to say about Voice of Color:
"this idea recognizes that Black and other marginalized communities have different experiences and histories. There is a presumption that belonging to a particular group gives an individual better insight into race and racism."
Well duh.... Everybody has a different perspective, but what is wrong at every level is that Black extremists want censorship. They have their view and Whites have tolerated it for decades. But, we are not supposed to have a voice. Black people see their racial brethren being carted off by the local constabularies for crimes in disproportionate numbers relative to Whites. Yet they won't accept the FACT that Blacks commit more serious crimes - both in raw numbers and in per capita than Whites or Hispanics. They refuse to hold themselves accountable and attribute everything to "racism" and since they fault White supremacy as the root cause of their own failings, then the White race becomes their mortal enemy.
They won't bother to respond to the fact that I'm not taking any right wing source as the basis of my decision making. Let the discussion / debate begin.
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Post by professorx on Jul 11, 2023 14:36:40 GMT
Having read all the previous posts it occurs to me that the people behind CRT deliberately avoid making a consistent statement about what they are after. If you read the links and the places those links take you it becomes apparent. The people behind CRT never define their terminology. That allows their objectives to be fluid. If they do not like what you say then they label it racist. The final thought on all of this is that those behind CRT do not want a discussion that most would consider transparent.
Those pushing CRT do not believe in a right of association and a right of disassociation. They want to commit acts of retaliation for what they perceive as historical wrongs. They do not want us to put those alleged wrongs into the perspective of world history and examine them with any scrutiny. In the end they show that they are the racists. The Resister has been planning to do a podcast and there is some hard hitting material he has been asked not to divulge on the board until he does a podcast on this subject. It is things that none of us considered before. It deserves the biggest audience possible so let us wish him well in finding help to get the podcast idea made into reality.
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Post by noclevername on Jul 11, 2023 20:39:48 GMT
"Racism persists because of “interest convergence” – Derrick Bell When you're looking for a conversation starter for one of the points that Derrick Bell makes, you sometimes just have to take the best quote that summarizes the position. According to Derrick Bell: "... the "interest of blacks in achieving racial equality will only be accommodated only when it converges with the interests of whites" scholarworks.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=educationbookchaptersWhat Blacks do not understand is that anything that diminishes the culture, heritage, and identity of Whites is a threat to its continued existence. Then, again, maybe they DO understand it. Black genes are more predominant over White genes at a ratio of 4 to 1. That is one reason that Barack Obama, the child of a Black and a White, was called our " first" Black president. In the 1970s (when I first got forced into studying this stuff) the Black people made up about 15 percent of the population, but demanded 50 percent of the jobs. Today it's not much different. If the Black extremists don't see more nonwhite faces than White in ANY component of society they chalk it up to racism and equate that emotion laden buzz word with hate and intolerance. Such is the dishonesty of those who are seeking ways to conduct a subtle war of genocide against the White race. Differential racializationCRT supporters define differential racialization as: " Relates to race as a social construct. When the dominant group defines and redefines what it means to be a part of the minority group at different times in history to serve the shifting needs. Take, for example, the “ONE DROP RULE.”themisandthoth.com/critical-race-theory-explained/Critical Race Theory is a proposed solution looking for a problem to solve. Of course a majority group can define what constitutes a minority. The Talmud, which the Jews rely on, determines how many red hairs can be on a white dog before it can be called a red dog. The Black race, on the whole, votes for Democrats. And what do Democrats believe in? Is it not majority rule? Is that not how they determine what is fair and unfair; legal or illegal; right or wrong? Democrats have no use for unalienable Rights. The extremists are pissed off to no end that the majority in the United States, that is the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution, did not make them the social equal of the White man. Neither did the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, etc., etc. In that endeavor the extremists on BOTH sides of the political aisle think that you come to America, sign up and become a citizen, and poof you're an American. I've yet to understand the Whites perspective on this because they have a more anti-racist position than the NAACP does. The MAGA people don't care who comes here, provided they become a slave of the NEW WORLD ORDER - with its Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean " Social Security Number," National ID Card, and pledge of fealty to an illegal, unconstitutional, and de facto government based in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption that has taken a giant dump on the Constitution of the United States. Black extremists behind CRT can only envision an America free of the influence and presence of White people. In short they think Whites have an obligation to destroy their heritage, culture, institutions; erase their history; abolish the concepts of Liberty, individualism, and limited government; renounce their religion and values and give America in fee simple to ANYONE that is opposed to the founding race in America. When you said the talking points in favor of CRT were fluid you weren't kidding. These people want to achieve something called racial equality while maintaining that race is a social construct. When law enforcement wants to catch a criminal they develop some idea about the criminal. What sex are they, what color are they, how old are they, how do they dress, do they have tattoos, and then there is height, weight other distinguishing features. If the criminals they are seeking are predominantly black you should roust the white people just to make sure the investigations aren't racist. The black race whores are full of it and then some.
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Post by noclevername on Jul 12, 2023 15:11:17 GMT
Based on what the democrats and left are saying in Congress this is a list of what will make you a racist white supremacist white nationalist
1) Do you celebrate the 4th of July?
2) Do you believe in the Constitution as it was originally written and intended?
3) Do you support the belief in American exceptionalism?
4) Do you think the interests of the United States come before the interests of foreign countries?
5) Are you proud of your family's history?
6) Do you own an American flag?
7) Do you believe in the rights of association and disassociation?
8) Do you ever feel anger, disappointment or frustration when liberals tear down a symbol of our country's history?
9) Do you feel that a person earns a seat in college or a give job based on their personal merit over their race?
10) Have you ever felt that discrimination is a natural and inherent inclination?
For every question you answer yes to that is you being 10 percent racist white supremacist white nationalist. Even 10 percent will net you negative reactions from the CRT activists. They are using the diversity bandwagon to kill off the white race.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 15, 2023 23:49:30 GMT
Even in London the Critical Race Theorists are assaulting young minds. One article reads (in part): " A report published by Don’t Divide Us has shone a light on the number of third party organisations (3PO) providing this type of educational service. Many have very healthy budgets, with over a quarter enjoying in excess of £1 million in funding. Incredibly a third of all 3POs covered by the report have been founded since 2020. As Winston Churchill once said, never let a good crisis go to waste.
It would appear that the new organisations provide a flourishing business model that teaches all the contested themes and beliefs that sit under the umbrella of critical race theory, such as white privilege and systemic and institutional racism, without the obvious baggage attached to the theory itself." www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/critical-race-theory-is-worming-its-way-into-schools/ar-AA1dTSaz?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0b8c81819e99459d895361b82c233b61&ei=146I have been trying to address the fantasies and lies of the left, but this is the last place left I can find on the Internet to speak the truth. I don't know anybody that is seriously contesting the themes and beliefs of Critical Race Theory. For example, of all the pilgrims, subjects, colonists, founders, framers and then Citizens at least 96 percent had one thing in common. They never owned slaves. Never having owned slaves means that the White people in this country only got a helping hand by depending upon the one at the end of their own arm. What is White privilege? Is it the privilege to be censored? Is it the privilege to pay taxes so that third worlders can live off the sweat of our brow? Is it privilege to be lied to, lied about, cursed, and misrepresented by those Black supremacists? I'm asking tough questions, but not seeing any answers. Know this: I haven't mentioned the tough questions...yet.
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Post by The Resister on Jul 16, 2023 3:32:26 GMT
I want you to look at a damn outrageous LIE: www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/parenting/critical-race-theory-advocating-for-the-education-your-kids-need/ar-AA1dSfEw?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=4870146acb4e4b78a602eb67f5a958c5&ei=47Tabitha St. Bernard-Jacobs is either an ignorant idiot or pathological liar. In the OP we described what Critical Race Theory is all about. In the article Jacobs writes: "People are intentionally manipulating the definition of critical race theory to fit their political agenda — attempting to throw any conversations or education around race and racism into the bucket of what they are labeling as CRT." I haven't manipulated anything, taking the best sources I could come up with to accurately define the agenda based upon the words of those who espouse it. And here we are to talk about the topic. The THEORY is being taught in schools; it is being forced upon us by the news and entertainment media; those who oppose it are subject to ridicule, censorship, harassment, and are vilified while not being allowed to defend themselves in the venues where this idiocy is being promoted. Here is the conversation. Where are those selling that magic elixir called CRT?
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