We the People,We the Militia

FWIW - In 1987 the Militia of Georgia was founded. It is the oldest and most continuous militia in this country. Any militia that existed before the MOG organization is long gone. Granted, the Militia of Georgia is but a shell of itself, but it still exists. There are other militias and most are select militias (and the founding fathers were opposed to select militias.) A select militia is a small militia comprised of a small / non-representative portion of the population. Generally these are political groups whose activities are very questionable.

In the early 2000s the militia movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective) was taken over by National Socialists calling themselves "The Minutemen" (and a minute is about all that they lasted.) Anyway, their agenda was limited to anti-immigrant efforts and generally political at that. Some of them saw themselves as an extension of the federal government and believed that they were empowered to man the border and enforce questionable "immigration" laws. The wars against eminent domain abuse, the illegally ratified 14th Amendment and the very questionable 16th Amendment were abandoned. We opted for Tea Party Republicans and the Trump / MAGA agenda that embraces many issues the real militia fought against. The militia fought against National ID, the surveillance society where Americans are monitored and observed 24 / 7 / 365, along with warrantless search and seizure. What do you have today?

The Tea Party Republicans and MAGA support politicians that want to eliminate due process. Those same people are for gun control and the expansion of the LGBTQP agenda. If you have any kind of militia, the people need to know what they are for and what they are against. That is one reason the Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man was drafted:

www.usresisters.com/charter/

Without some idea of where you want to go, you will never get there. It's like going cross country without GPS, a map, or even road signs to guide you. If you don't know what you want nor what roads you intend to take, how do you get where you're going? If you are interested in the militia, what is it you believe in? What are you willing to die for? How do you intend to get to your destination? What kind of battles will you have to fight? You need to know that to understand what it is you want to train for. BEFORE we can employ the kind of militia that existed like the Minutemen of our nation's history we must have a blueprint. Then we have to exhaust all of our nonviolent political and legal avenues of redress. IF we act we must know what we want and we have to be of a common mindset. Remember the words of Patrick Henry:

"We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer.

Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.

Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.

If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!" (Emphasis mine, of course)

www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/henry.htm

I have much more to say, but will hold it until you decide whether or not to pursue this thread.

The OP may be awol, but we have something to discuss since the door was opened.

Right now there are three basic kinds of militias: functional militias, select militias, and legal militias. A functional militia is one that is like the Militia of Georgia. They have been around and are both effective as well as beneficial. You have select militias. Most of those are the Internet militias featuring your favorite keyboard commando complete with pics of him wearing his cammies and going into the woods to play army. Then you have the "legal" militia as described in federal law, but probably doesn't exist in reality since so many states have laws prohibiting organized paramilitary exercises by the general public. The select militias (at least all those I've encountered over the past quarter of a century) are full of dullards that are too stupid to know how to work around the laws without breaking them.

Years ago I used to think that actor Mel Gibson was trying to teach us a lesson with the movie Braveheart. In that movie the Scottish people were being lorded over by the English. The Scots used sports as a means to maintain their physical prowess, playing games while collecting intel, and honing their ability ability to work as a team. They also learned how to communicate with each other even under the watchful eye of the English. In other words, THAT was a functional militia. When the time came the Scots were all on the same page as to resistance and a sufficient number stood together to take on the tyrants.

In America you have read the words of Patrick Henry and you know what must be done. The time to act is when there are no more nonviolent political and / or legal avenues of redress. Then, before you act, you must be associated with a sufficient number of like minded patriots where they can exist off the grid and depend upon each other to maintain communities within their own communities. If the excrement interacts with the electric oscillating device, where would you go? What would be there waiting on you? If you would go to live with a friend or relative, have you tried to stay with them for a few days to a week or two at a time to see how you would get along? I can't think of many fates worse than to go to your bug out location, things not work out and you leave into civil chaos with minimal supplies.

As you can see, war should be your last resort. Today half of America identifies as progressive / left / socialist / communist and the other half are right wing / MAGA. In reality there aren't a Hell of lot of differences once you pull down the curtain and take a closer look. That is another thread. You should know that the key to success is associating with those of like mind and the more commonalities you have, the greater your chances of success. The Militia of Georgia opened its doors because legal militias had no legal authority to deny to any other citizen the Right to affiliate with a civilian militia. Secondly, the leaders were bombarded by those on the right that bought into multiculturalism. Oh, they claim to be against it, but if you are a White activist the MAGA and right wing types will find more ways to vilify you than the left. That's strange considering WHO brought this Republic into existence. Multiculturalism was one of the key issues that brought the militia down from thousands to a membership that fit into a school bus.

The legal requirements for being in a militia is to be 17 to 64 and not a member of the National Guard / Reserves or other organized militia body (Army, Navy, USMC, Air Force, Coast Guard, etc.) I don't think the age limit will hold water if constitutionally challenged IF you think the illegally ratified Fourteenth Amendment is valid law. Age discrimination was outlawed by federal laws. Being able to call yourself militia without a blueprint for dealing with the NEW WORLD ORDER and protecting yourself is worthless. If you offer no resistance to unconstitutional powers, of what use is the militia? Without a militia what do you think stops tyrants and dictators from subduing you and making you their slave? Have you considered that you may already be a slave? We have a lot to cover if there is any interest.

This is my personal view:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the Right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States

Despite all the phony arguments against the Second Amendment, it means what it says. A well regulated militia is necessary AND the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. There are two different concepts there. The founders and framers toyed with the idea of having their version of well regulated militias where local constabularies would muster the people a few times each year in order to make sure the militia was well regulated. That went over like a fart in Sunday school. Few participated. That ended with Alexander Hamilton writing that: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” It was hoped that the people at large would be properly armed. It was not a requirement. In order to achieve that objective the "Right to keep and bear Arms" was guaranteed in the Second Amendment. This was affirmed the FIRST time the United States Supreme Court addressed the issue: The high Court HELD:

"The Government of the United States, although it is, within the scope of its powers, supreme and beyond the States, can neither grant nor secure to its citizens rights or privileges which are not expressly or by implication placed under its jurisdiction. All that cannot be so granted or secured are left to the exclusive protection of the States. The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence." United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876) - Emphasis mine, of course

The intent of the framers was to protect a preexisting Right. In 1804 Thomas Jefferson was president. Lewis and Clark set out on their expedition. They took with them privately held 46 caliber Girandoni rifles with a 28 round capacity to demonstrate to the Natives. More than seventy years later the United States Supreme Court held that the Right to keep and bear Arms is a Right that exists without the Constitution since the Right is not dependent upon the Constitution for its existence.

Regardless of what you call yourself, if you carry Arms in defense of your country, you are part of the militia by both legal and dictionary definitions. If you arm yourself to fight the government, you may be part of a Select Militia and not protected by the Second Amendment. And it gets touchy here: When the government doesn't uphold the Constitution then you may become the criminal for forcing the government to uphold the principles contained in the Constitution. The government will seek to pervert the law, but I live by the admonition of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington on these points:

"If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed." George Washington, FAREWELL ADDRESS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES

“On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson personal to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

The purpose of the militia is to insure the security of a free State. IMO that is we are supposed to be the last line of defense in a free nation still working under the premise that the United States Constitution is the law of the land. If the government cannot insure and protect our Rights, it is up to us to reclaim them, use every nonviolent legal and political avenue of redress in that endeavor (leaving those doors open at all times), and to call upon the militia should the government try to tyrannize the people.

What is YOUR view?

IN MY OPINION you should spend a few weeks learning about civilian militias from people who can give you sound counsel. People think you organize and start "training" and magically you have a militia. How many of the militias that popped up in the 1990s to early 2000s are still functioning today? How many of them have sent their members to jail or Hell in that time period?

There are some downsides to militias and the next time I post I will try to quote a few of my critics just so you know how real this gets. Many people think you go out and get a few guys with military experience and build a militia. Being in the military and being in the militia are different animals. Military people have a constant flow of new faces; they have resupply lines; the rank and file of military don't get involved in politics. Those participating in the January 6 rally could not be taught that and many of them are now serving federal time. Put bluntly you don't know how many people made a name for themselves telling the public that I was "crazier than a shithouse rat" and that people listening to me would end up in prison. I have some old communications (mostly e mail) to share along those lines. It's nearly a quarter of a century later and my critics ended up in the hoosegow. I'm not tooting my horn. It's been luck, experience, and knowing that you do not challenge the government unless you've planned to fight. If you challenge them, they will answer the challenge.

There are too many preliminaries before you can have a militia. How do you disseminate information? Discussion boards? Podcasts? OR maybe the really ineffective places like Fakebook or DJT's heavily monitored social site? What is your purpose? Mission? General Charter?

How much do you know about civilian militias? Where did you get your information? Most of what's on the Internet is outright B.S. started by people with little to NO practical experience. You want to be in the militia? You should start on this board and read the threads; access the links (watch and / or read - listen to all of them.) Participate in the discussions. Ask questions. Put some of the principles into practice. MY OPINION AND TEN DOLLARS WILL BUY YOU A CUP OF COFFEE IN MOST RESTAURANTS AND SOME STARBUCKS.

It appears that we have dissuaded lee from forming his own militia. We would be better off with no civilian militia than one that is owned and controlled by the media and snake oil salesmen posing as politicians. The January 6 rally was evidence of that. The militia cannot afford to give itself a black eye in public AND send its members to jail and / or prison.

IN MY OPINION, if you can look years and even decades down the road at what a particular method of operation has produced, you may be closer to considering who is right when it comes to organization building and ideology. If we look back at the patriot movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective) and the civilian militias that existed from the late 1980s to early 2000s we can see all that they did right, but the gnawing fact is, they were co-opted by the self proclaimed "Minutemen," Tea Party Republicans, and later the MAGA crowd. The more recent groups that replaced the patriot movement ( i.e. MAGA, Tea Party Republicans, Minutemen, etc.) have built a bigger following in terms of the numbers of people, but FAILED in terms of effectiveness.

The problem we've faced ever since I've been a part of the movement is that the people have never settled on exactly what they're "for." For example, the OP was concerned with things like cartels, immigrants, and the lack of a national language. So, he proposes a militia to oppose those things. What is necessary BEFORE the militia is that the people get on the same page and be committed to an agreed upon vision for America. Without that, you are a defensive fighter, and the militia cannot help you. A militia is not the same as the military and I've faced more opposition over that than almost any other issue connected to the militia. When I was the C.O. of a militia I caught HELL for not supporting the idea that we should align ourselves with police and military agencies and become a de facto extension of the system in general.

The police and military have taken an oath to the system. When the courts decide that unconstitutional and immoral laws are acceptable, the police and military will enforce those laws. If you align yourself with them, you are bound to their system. You cannot then legally or morally object when unjust and unconstitutional acts are upheld. That kind of negates the whole reason for having a civilian militia, doesn't it? I'm not in an adversarial position against the system. I'm simply not part of it so that I do not owe a de facto government any loyalty. My loyalty is to the Constitution. I serve my God, my family, friends, and neighbors - then my country and in that order. The first duty of a soldier or a cop is to the system first. In other words, if you have a cop in the militia and the government decides to confiscate guns the cop must choose between family and job OR the militia. The cop will sell you out and arrest you for resistance ten times out of ten. They already have a conflict of interest going in - the oath as an officer and their militia oath. No man can serve two masters. Then they have a duty to their family. Sadly, if a fellow militiaman goes down, it is highly unlikely that the militia has the resources to take care of that officer's family. The militia cannot become an auxiliary for Homeland (IN) Security for many of the same reasons.

Having ignored the necessity of the equivalent of the Declaration of Independence, the right has no foundation upon which to build. In the short term that means that Donald J. Trump is their king and whatever he says goes. It appears today that if an election were held, Trump would win and he would proceed to enact gun control, give America to the deviants known as the LGBTQP community, and wage a war against Due Process. The POLICE STATE would become a recognized reality and we could no longer deny its existence or purpose. The thing of it is the right is agreeing to these terms and will have no legal or political recourse to oppose that which they empowered. Anyone who thinks differently is a fool or an idiot. All of America is on a collision course with multiculturalism with the Republicans claiming a monopoly on a multicultural country while in the next breath condemning the practice. EVERYBODY wants to be the most racially diverse group on the planet - even knowing that is what is being used to subtly commit genocide against the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution.

What you call yourself is not as important as to WHY you are existing. What do you hope to accomplish? If you want to be a prepper, you don't need to call yourself a militia. If you just want to complain about the political evils, you don't have to be a militia. IF you want to protect, defend and reclaim Liberty, you will probably need to be a militia. And that is the only group constitutionally protected when it comes to insuring the security of a free State.

It appears that this thread has met its death unless and until someone benefits off of what is being said. The deal for me is that I diligently studied what a militia consists of and how to avoid trouble. I tried not to make the mistakes of the past and now hope that someone out there is paying attention.

Just tonight it was announced that the leader of the Proud Boys was sentenced to 22 years for his role in the Jan.6 rally that is now being called seditious conspiracy:

www.cbsnews.com/news/enrique-tarrio-sentencing-proud-boys-leader-seditious-conspiracy/

The Proud Boys were in cahoots with people like the Three Percenters, a self proclaimed "militia" group:

www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/guy-reffitt-sentenced-to-more-than-7-years-in-prison-for-leading-mob-on-jan-6-dabney-friedrich-donald-trump-three-percenter-jackson-peyton/65-0889d5d9-05e9-484a-aa3a-e80c0b04cc94

These groups had ties to the Oath Keepers:

www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/new-evidence-reveals-coordination-oath-keepers-three-percenters-jan-6-rcna30355

If everyone recalls, the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters were Johnny come latelys to the militia scene compared to the Militia of Georgia / U.S. Militias organization that started back in 1987. When those groups popped up and refused to associate with the MOG / USM umbrella group, they had less than unkind things to say about the senior militias and the leadership. We warned people what would happen and now we are seeing the results of their refusal to seek out sound counsel. I told you so.

Today a person contemplating joining or starting a militia would do well to listen to sound counsel. And how do you recognize what sound counsel is? How old is an organization? How many of its members have gone to jail, prison and / or been sued in the courts? What is their record of success in the past?

Just for the sake of Posterity I want to address that in future postings. If you want to be part of the solution; if you want to understand the past so that you avoid making the mistakes that have already been made; if you want to be successful; if you want to know the real risks before engaging in any action, then stay tuned. You cannot afford to ignore what comes next.

Something that needs to be addressed. What was the militia policy on having police officers as members and the militia working with law enforcement agencies?