Deliberate Migration of Immigrants to the United States

I will admit to all that I am biased on this subject. In 1977 I participated in "Border Watch." Border Watch was initiated by David Duke, an ex Nazi Party sympathizer that founded his own version of the Ku Klux Klan. I was very young at the time and was recruited from the John Birch Society by a man that would go on to become a real White Supremacist. His name was Tom Metzger. In those days if someone had told me that the operation was a Ku Klux Klan op, I either might not have believed you OR, more likely, would have ignored its implications as I didn't know any more about what the KKK was than most people know what the Masons are all about. Oddly the fact is the head of the real Ku Klux Klan was Rev. (sic) Hosea Williams attorney... Hosea Williams the heir to the political organization headed up by Martin Luther King, Jr. (SCLC) had a KKK lawyer. FWIW, both were Masons. Come on over to my house. Glad to document this stuff.

Anyway, after that I went to work for another man on the Speaker's Bureau of the John Birch Society, Lt. Col. Gordon "Jack" Mohr. Mohr was the first American captured in the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death only to escape and return to the front lines. Mohr took up the battle of foreigners entering the United States and in the 1980s I helped ghost a number of articles that Mohr put out warning of the dangers of open immigration. That means I've had over 45 years to study and observe the issue. My observations and my conclusions will be vastly different as I know now what was real and what is fantasy AND what is really going on with the immigration issue.

If you click on the following link, you will have access to facts that neither side of the political aisle want you to consider:

resisters.freeforums.net/thread/99/open-borders

Much of what you feel may or may not be true; may or may not have any factual basis. One thing that is simply NOT TRUE: The presence of foreigners has virtually nothing to do with the availability of jobs in America. As a matter of fact one of the tools to measure the vibrancy of an economy is the number of foreigners it takes to meet the needs of business. Milton Friedman, an economist and conservative (sic) who got a 1976 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his research on consumption analysis, monetary history and theory and the complexity of stabilization policy once stated:

"Immigration is a particularly difficult subject. There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story:..."

openborders.info/friedman-immigration-welfare-state/

As the article points out, the right deliberately misquotes Friedman in order to make it appear that he was against so - called "illegal immigration." If we have a libertarian state (i.e. one of a limited government), then open immigration is a positive thing (for the economy.) Open immigration will not work in a welfare state. Sooooo... the politicians have turned us into a third world cesspool and made us into the ultimate welfare state. We have plenty of jobs right now. But, we have a welfare state and the objective of the NEW WORLD ORDER is to create chaos and disorder. We've organized to fight so - called "illegal immigration," but what we're really accomplishing is to play into the hands of the globalists and forfeiting our unalienable Rights on the premise that the government can save us from our own actions.

The current litmus test to be an American (and this is true for both sides of the political aisle) is that you be wholly committed to a multicultural nation. You must be WHOLLY COMMITTED or the Democrats and Republicans will claim you aren't an American. They feign being offended by racism, even as they practice it themselves. Discrimination has become an emotion laden buzz word used to instill a false sense of guilt among the White people of this country and make you think that performing a perfectly natural act is somehow immoral... and that from people harping on a nonexistent separation of church and state and / or repeating that swill that we can't legislate morality. Well, take a look at those links. I'm curious as to where you want to go.

I am curious as to the proposed solutions, assuming the OP returns. What will he suggest?

Build a wall around the United States? The wall idea, formerly a left wing solution, relies on the Constitution Free Zone for its enforcement. With the Constitution Free Zone, the Constitution is suspended and has no relevance:

www.cato.org/checkpoint-america

www.offthegridnews.com/current-events/do-you-live-in-a-constitution-free-zone-many-americans-do/

In order to give teeth to that infringement of the Fourth Amendment, the right needed to pass the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and that eliminates your Right to Privacy; it gave a pretext to maintain the unconstitutional 16th Amendment and the income tax (which were almost eliminated by the Fair Tax); it relies on your Socialist Surveillance Number ... ooops "Social Security Number" as that unique number that helps monitor you 24 / 7 / 365.

At some point you have to look at the ramifications of the popular proposals to battle the immigration debacle and ask yourself whether the cure is worse than the disease. How much Liberty are you willing to give up in order to reach this state of Nirvana that the popular solutions promise? I'm asking that everyone do an actual Cost / Benefits Analysis of the issue before jumping onto any bandwagon.

My idea which may or may not would work. I believe enforcing the labor Department to inspect all businesses at the same time frame would be ideal and repeat this for some time. It would operate similar to the census bureau and my suggestion is any business found with anyone without legal authority to work or be in the U.S, either be given one warning or shut down for one month. We need to be very strict with anyone employing anyone undocumented. If a business is caught with undocumented labor again then they will be shut down and fined. Too many laws benefit the rich man and corporate America. I would enforce the National Guard and Military to transport any and all undocumented immigrants back to Mexico or the country of their prior residence. Also having the Military along the border of Mexico would be enforced and be permanent. A wall is not going to solve the issue and it wouldn't hurt to have the border in better condition and repairs to the wall in need. A sizable military force is what is in need and orders to shoot to kill anyone that crosses the border. The Mexican people would be told if they come to close or cross the border they will be shot.

Too many atrocities are in America due to the Migration, along with growing crime, drugs, the cartels and public schools being filled with children where their families do not pay taxes for their children to attend school. This will cause a rise in taxes to support the families not paying in and schools to fill up quicker than expected. Teachers will need linguist to speak Spanish and more tax dollars will be needed to fill this need. The problems from Migration alone are endless.

Is lee trolling this board? This is the second time he has started this topic. His solutions are martial law and empowering the government to enforce socialism. Did he ever bother to read the replies he got in the last topic he started on this subject? There are negatives and positives to using foreign labor. The bigger threats are those that change our culture making us a third world country and the shift toward socialism. Does anyone understand this issue outside of the liberal and MAGA argument?

I really think you would benefit off of reading the link to that previous thread you started. IIRC, the issue was answered. Just for kicks, I will try again and be shorter:

IF we REALLY had the objective of making America great again, we would have to admit that America was great at one time. The voters screwed it up. How? They elected politicians that passed more and more laws that took away our Liberty. How can you pass more laws to take you back to where you already were? OR allow me an analogy:

There is an old episode of The Twilight Zone. In one episode a couple a couple gets four wishes from a genie that materializes from a bottle in their antique shop. To make a short episode shorter, in four wishes the couple arrive back to the point they were already at. The name of the episode is The Man in the Bottle if you want to stream it on Paramount Plus or YouTube. Anyway...

The solution to the immigration debacle in America is to understand WHY it is happening and HOW it is taking place. The objective of the globalists is to disenfranchise the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution. WHY is this taking place? The Constitution of the United States was a contract between we, the people and that entity called government - See the case Dred Scott v. Sanford:

www.law.cornell.edu/wex/dred_scott_v_sandford_%281857%29

If you do not access and READ that link, you are literally pissing in the wind when it comes to understanding what is going on in America. Nonwhites hate, loathe and despise everything this country stands for as it was founded for the advancement, preservation and protection of the White race. So, no matter how much you share this country with the other races, they have been programmed to hate Whites, but remain oblivious to the fact that people in general recognize the Right of others to have their own homeland. The globalists want a one race/ one religion / One World Government as that will aid in the control of people. Multiculturalism must be enforced at the barrel of a gun and with force, distraint and deceit. The most successful (i.e. the United States) must be conquered in order for the globalists to control the world economy.

If employers hired who they wanted to hire; homeowners and landlords sold, leased and rented to the people they wanted to; the government got out of the "legal" drug business; we shut down the Welfare State; we spent some time living by God's laws then the immigration situation would not exist. Period. The problem is the solution doesn't fit on a bumper sticker. Maybe that is why you skipped that previous thread and asked the same questions again? We tell people that they own the business they built and they own the jobs they create, but tell them WHO to hire. HOW is that conducive to a free country? OTOH, if you allow an employer to hire whomever they want, BUT offer them substantial tax benefits if the hire Americans, who do you think they would be looking to hire? AND if we forced all those lazy SOBs (and I don't mean Swell Ol Boys) to get off food stamps and move out of their parents home, they might take those jobs that the foreigners are working. You cannot have open borders and a welfare state. But, if you force the people to go back to work, Americans might be working the jobs and the foreigners would have no incentive to come here. And if they did, if the half of America that isn't working WERE working, nobody would complain if a few foreigners got a job.

After spending a couple of decades at this and, especially dealing with this individual poster, I'm losing hope that we will ever get anybody to see the forest for the trees. After nearly a quarter of a century there are exactly FOUR people that understand what I've been posting about during this time. If you don't understand WHY THE RIGHT'S SOLUTIONS ABSOLUTELY WON'T WORK, then you have no concept of what it is to be a constitutionalist and have no business lobbying one way or another on this issue. And there is not a swinging soul on the face of this earth that would call me a liberal (or related pejorative) to my face. Let's review the facts:

1) The current proposed "solutions" were given to the right by the far left - the nutty wall idea was floated by Bill Clinton way before Donald Trump

2) Militarizing the border was OPPOSED by the right all the way up to the early 2000s when the left (using Hegelian Dialectics) conned the right into being the standard bearers for the left

3) Requiring people to have identification in order to exercise unalienable Rights results in tyranny for the citizens. National ID is a prelude to the ultimate Orwellian nightmare

4) The government telling us who to hire means that the government owns the jobs. That would make America a socialist country. Socialism - government owns the jobs

So, what are you going to do? Everybody wants an answer that fits on a bumper sticker. It ain't happening. The best that I can do is to take you to that time when America was still considered great by the majority of American people. Most of us would guess sometime before the "civil rights era." Okay. Suppose that is the time frame we're looking at. What laws were passed from then to now that promised to give to the nonwhites what they otherwise couldn't achieve on their own?

This is a topic that is extremely complicated. We realize that we have a finite amount of room in the United States and a finite amount of resources. Yet over half of the population supports the notion that we should share the wealth of America and be good socialists. Those same hypocritical people NEVER condemn Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc. for maintaining their own homeland. But, what can we do about it?

The right, having bought into the ridiculous theory of the universal equality of man (provided it is enforced by law in the United States), refuses to study the issue and come to the most logical conclusions - which are not short enough to fit onto a bumper sticker. Those people, who are too lazy to think, are trying to save America one meme at a time on social media. Do you think the problems have gotten better or worse over the last twenty years? One last time I would invite you to read all the posts in the following links:'

resisters.freeforums.net/thread/75/illegals

resisters.freeforums.net/thread/207/secure-border

Every time you get lost by right wing propaganda, refer to those links. Just place your cursor over them and reread the facts. Fortunately, the system will not allow you to employ the socialist solutions like Martial Law and it's a damn shame it didn't rise up against National ID as a way to deal with the issue. You keep looking for the answer when it's right in front of your face. There is a reason that Americans are being given fewer and fewer choices every year. When we decide who we can hire; when we decide who we want to rent to or sell to; when the individual citizen makes the choice - the left doesn't get what they want. There is a reason that attempts to make people "equal" have to be forced on us at the barrel of a gun.