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Post by The Resister on Sept 28, 2023 3:35:25 GMT
So, I'm reading this news story and I'd like to quote something from it: " On multiple other issues, however — including foreign policy, Social Security and Medicare and trade — the party of Donald Trump has sharply shifted away from that of Reagan.
A clear example came early in the debate when moderators showed a clip of Reagan as he discussed amnesty for immigrants in the country without legal authorization. He later signed the most sweeping amnesty law in U.S. history.
In the years since, Republicans have shifted sharply toward a nativist position, with many in the party backing cuts to both legal and illegal immigration. After watching the Reagan clip, the candidates competed to advocate tough positions.
The U.S. needs to make clear that "if you come here illegally, we will apprehend you and send you back," former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said. "We have to treat this like the law enforcement problem that it is."
Ramaswamy went further, saying the U.S. should "militarize the southern border" and declaring that he would push to reinterpret the Constitution to no longer give citizenship to children born in the U.S. to unauthorized immigrants." www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-republican-debate-has-an-unplanned-theme-this-isn-t-ronald-reagan-s-party-anymore/ar-AA1hmF0Y?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6eefc553f3da46e4afa03189f3c3b2b5&ei=22In the background of the debate I could see the hosts banner DEMOCRACY 2024 in the background. THAT is exactly what is wrong with the Republican Party today. They are Democrats. Democrats have become progressives, liberals, socialists, democratic socialists and communists. NOBODY is standing up to support the guarantee of a REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT as per Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution. We never had to reinterpret the Constitution the Constitution to give citizenship to anyone since the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. We do not need to militarize the border. What we need is to restore Americans Rights to protect their own property. We have to allow the border states to decide who they want to come and go within their borders AND the states get to decide how to best handle the situation. Ron DeSantis, for all his faults, is proving this to be the right approach. But I digress. As noted above, even the political pundits are saying what I said years ago. Today the Republicans of MAGA have shifted away from conservative / constitutionalist positions and have taken up the banner of their conquerors, the Democrats. Today it's Democrat lite (Trump) versus the Communist Democrat Party of the Demonrats. I was right all along. Now the mainstream is making it official.
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Post by noclevername on Sept 28, 2023 20:24:12 GMT
This a confusing. This country is being saturated with people coming here from all over the world. Do you think that Reagan was right in what he did with amnesty? What are some of the differences between the republicans of today and those during the Reagan era?
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Post by The Resister on Sept 29, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
This a confusing. This country is being saturated with people coming here from all over the world. Do you think that Reagan was right in what he did with amnesty? What are some of the differences between the republicans of today and those during the Reagan era? Thanks for the question. As you know, we have discussed immigration at length and shown what Reagan v. Bush said regarding allowing people to come into the United States to work. Then we talked about Bill Clinton and how he much his proposed solutions sound like the swill being bandied about by Trump: resisters.freeforums.net/thread/207/secure-borderBack in the days before the self proclaimed " Minutemen" (the modern iteration), Tea Party Republicans and MAGA, the patriots and constitutionalists opposed Martial Law even as immigration was a main topic: In the Reagan and Bush years we were talking about different times and a different problem. " Amnesty" was never going to be a solution per se because who comes and goes within each state is a state issue not a federal one. The United States Supreme Court unilaterally decided to bring immigration into federal jurisdiction when the federal government only has constitutional jurisdiction over citizenship. There is NOHING in the Constitution which gives the federal government any jurisdiction over an unalienable Right and NOTHING forcing guest workers to be on a path toward citizenship just because they come here and work. Outside of that issue what I'm seeing are flaming left wing liberals pretending to be Republicans only to make the entire Republican platform look idiotic. Take congresscritter, Lauren Boebert. Boebert marries a guy that was convicted of showing his genitals to young girls. Then, still married, Boebert dates a Democrat that owns a gay bar and she is seen fondling him at a play intended for audiences 10 and older. And she talks about Christian values! And then there is Kari Lake, a former Democrat that is on the MAGA bandwagon along with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Kelly Anne Conway who got divorced while working with Trump and you begin to get the picture that the Republican Party is under assault by a demonic force. That doesn't make the Republican Party a good party. Initially the Republicans were the ones in favor of racial amalgamation. It was the Republicans that forced through the illegally ratified 14th Amendment. It was Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, that nominated Justice Samuel Miller to the United States Supreme Court and it was Justice Miller that delivered the Opinion of the Court in the 1875 case of Chy Lung v. Freeman that started the usurpation of power by the feds over who may come and go within each state. The Establishment Republicans have been working hand in hand with globalists and today they are soft on bread and butter issues that were " conservative" fare in years past. Republicans have supported gun control, Martial Law and they passed the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify (taking us down the road toward a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.) The same Congressman that introduced the REAL ID Act, James Sensenbrenner, also introduced the so - called " Patriot Act," which started us down that road toward eliminating the Fourth Amendment and due process (and you know how much Trump despises due process - unless it's HIS due process in question.) This was not the case in the time period from the late 1970s until early 2000s. Back then you had " conservatives," moderates and Establishment Republicans. Ever since Reagan, the Democrats have pretended to jump ship and join the Republican Party and once there, they got the liberal / left's agenda passed without resistance. A good example is that Reagan, a former Democrat, got MAJOR gun control legislation signed into law. George Bush, an Establishment Republican, signed an Executive Order banning semi automatic firearms into the United States. George W. Bush, another Establishment Republican, said he would pass the so - called "Assault Weapons Ban" if Congress passed it and Donald Trump, a Democrat pretending to be a Republican, was the most anti- gun president in U.S. history until Lying Biden. Things are seldom what they seem. Few politicians in my lifetime were anything close to being constitutionalists.
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Post by professorx on Sept 29, 2023 16:27:05 GMT
From observations in my lifetime the republicans can be broken down into five basic factions
establishment republicans MAGA republicans - ex democrats fiscal conservatives - social liberals conservatives - right of center on the Constitution nearly extinct constitutional patriots
The last of the conservative to constitutional factions were dying out under Reagan. They confused meritocracy with cultural integrity. Reagan was a closet liberal that relied on a fallacy most Americans have been led to believe and that belief being that all races and cultures will develop equally under a free market. They do not. Experience has taught us that. Not everybody can live under the kind of government that the founders conceived. In a meritocracy within a Christian nation only those who share the national values prosper. Those who inherently believe in socialism, liberalism, humanism tend to become the leeches that live off those who produce. It is a sad state of affairs that the global elite manipulate the three primary factions and have locked out the old guard we used to call patriots.
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Post by The Resister on Sept 29, 2023 18:42:35 GMT
I would almost concur except you left out moderates and populists. Moderates float between Establishment Republicans and fiscal conservatives / social liberals. The populists believe they are the pure people and that anyone that disagrees with them are part of the Global Elite One Worlders. Can they be any more screwed up!
The Globalists co-opted the Republican Party and now the MAGA crowd buys into a silly notion that they are some kind of force against the socialists when, in fact, they have picked up the mantle for socialists and communists and are fighting harder for that agenda than the Democrats do. The changing stance by the Republicans on issues like National ID, gun control, support of the Bill of Rights, citizenship versus guest workers in the immigration debate and cultural integrity are grim reminders that the conservatives and constitutionalists no longer have any power in the Republican Party.
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Post by professorx on Oct 1, 2023 16:49:29 GMT
I would almost concur except you left out moderates and populists. Moderates float between Establishment Republicans and fiscal conservatives / social liberals. The populists believe they are the pure people and that anyone that disagrees with them are part of the Global Elite One Worlders. Can they be any more screwed up! The Globalists co-opted the Republican Party and now the MAGA crowd buys into a silly notion that they are some kind of force against the socialists when, in fact, they have picked up the mantle for socialists and communists and are fighting harder for that agenda than the Democrats do. The changing stance by the Republicans on issues like National ID, gun control, support of the Bill of Rights, citizenship versus guest workers in the immigration debate and cultural integrity are grim reminders that the conservatives and constitutionalists no longer have any power in the Republican Party. There are probably half dozen or more smaller factions like the moderates and populists that were not included in that classification. Most will fall into the basic categories. What we see a lot of right now are MAGA republicans. As bizarre as it is that faction seems to be able to attract the gay vote and disgruntled democrats along with a quasi white racial constituency that sounds a lot like Clinton democrats with their cries for Martial Law and a massive government. They put the LGBTQ extremists in the same rallies with racists and former right wing people each believing Trump to be the Messiah. The major factions are taking us down the road to full acceptance of the new world order. Lauren Boebert sounds like The Resister when she talks about problems and then she advocates national socialism along with progressivism proposals as solutions. She marries a guy that was convicted of a sex crime and then goes to a play attended by young minors. While there she vapes which was against the rules in that building. Her date was a man that is a democrat that owns a gay bar that caters to trannies. It is plain as the nose on your face. Those individuals are working to make the right and establishment look stoopid and that reflects on the republicans, Christians, constitutionalists, people with traditional values making them look like fools and morons. It is effective political guerrilla warfare. We are in agreement on what is going on. The challenge is to make some segment of society see it too so we can mount some kind of resistance to the inevitable end to our era and our culture not to mention our values and race.
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Post by noclevername on Oct 3, 2023 2:54:05 GMT
It is eye opening to see who was against martial law and a militarized government a quarter of a century ago compared to today. Times did change. What many believed back then has been discarded. All of the conversation was based on a news story. Link. www.thenation.com/article/culture/birchers-matthew-dallek/It did say that the MAGA movement can be traced to the John Birch Society. Would you comment on that article?
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Post by The Resister on Oct 4, 2023 14:47:06 GMT
" The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield (sic) and government to gain ground." Thomas Jefferson Thank you for asking something that I can really respond to from experience. My first experience with the John Birch Society ( JBS) came when I was a kid. It was 1977 and I was recruited by a man named Tom Metzger to participate in what was known as Border Watch. Border Watch was organized by a former Nazi turned Ku Klux Klansman named David Duke. Metzger was using the JBS to recruit people to actually watch the border. In those days you had quite a number of people vying for the same piece of pie when dealing with political constituencies. Therefore, I will never know whether the JBS silently allowed Metzger to recruit for that effort or whether he infiltrated the JBS for his own purposes. Regardless, it wouldn’t have meant anything to me at the time. In my neighborhood the Ku Klux Klan would roadblock one week-end and the Masons would show up the next. Roadblocks were times when the Klan or Masons (or other groups) would put on their garb and stand at every red light in town, hawking their newspapers and taking donations. It wasn’t full of the drama we see today. Anyhow, we had the Young Republicans, Conservative Union, National Review, John Birch Society, KKK, Nazis, etc., etc. all attending the same meetings and trying to recruit and / or steal members from one another. I got a lot of exposure to all of them. BTW, when we held meetings under the umbrella of The Patriot Network, they all got to come and speak at the public meetings we held. Ultimately the JBS would be accused of being “ racist” to which they denied and they want to be part of a multicultural America: jbs.org/about/facts/The facts do not correspond to what the JBS claims: www.nationalreview.com/2017/06/william-f-buckley-john-birch-society-founder-robert-welch-conservatism-man-and-his-presidents/My position is a simple one. If the JBS were an honest group representing the best interests of Americans, they would have to explain why they took Lt. Col. Gordon “Jack” Mohr (U.S. Army, retired) off their Speakers Bureau after Mohr discussed the connections between the conspiracy view of history and communism being related to Jews. The Birchers liked to talk about the Illuminati, but their research ends with Adam Weishaupt who was Jewish. Mohr was the first American captured during the Korean Conflict. He was beaten, tortured and sentenced to death only to escape and go on to fight again AND write about psychopolitics, brainwashing and political guerrilla warfare. Mohr later became a co – founder of U.S. Militias and the Militia of Georgia. Anyway, back to the issue at hand. The old guard of the patriot movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective) was opposed to National ID. The JBS today supports it. Patriots opposed Martial Law, the POLICE STATE and 34 / 7 / 365 surveillance of our citizenry. The JBS supports that. Patriots opposed the so – called “Patriot Act.” The JBS supports that. The patriots a couple of decades back opposed multiculturalism. Today the JBS, National Review, MAGA Republicans and most of the right wing embrace all of the agenda that was near and dear to the left. How in the Hell that anyone (ESPECIALLY the left) can claim that the JBS or any right wing organization won anything is way beyond the pale of reason. Maybe it’s time for a wake up call.
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Post by professorx on Oct 5, 2023 0:24:59 GMT
We need to talk about who the republicans really are. The republicans were the social liberals. It was the party of Lincoln that gave us the Fourteenth Amendment. The republicans signed the Sixteenth Amendment into law. It was conservative cough cough Ronald Reagan that made it illegal for civilians to have their own fully automatic firearms. Republicans repealed laws in the late 1800s that made interracial marriages illegal. In 1967 it was Chief Justice Warren that made interracial marriages legal. Warren was nominated by Eisenhower who was a republican.
Republicans have been the party of liberalism. When ex democrat Ronald Reagan ran as a conservative the masses went ape and under Reagan the worst left wing legislation in history at the time was passed. Not only did Reagan sign the worst antigun legislation in history he granted amnesty to 2.9 million foreigners that came here without papers. There is much more to say. It is now someone else turn.
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Post by The Resister on Oct 5, 2023 3:52:49 GMT
We need to talk about who the republicans really are. The republicans were the social liberals. It was the party of Lincoln that gave us the Fourteenth Amendment. The republicans signed the Sixteenth Amendment into law. It was conservative cough cough Ronald Reagan that made it illegal for civilians to have their own fully automatic firearms. Republicans repealed laws in the late 1800s that made interracial marriages illegal. In 1967 it was Chief Justice Warren that made interracial marriages legal. Warren was nominated by Eisenhower who was a republican. Republicans have been the party of liberalism. When ex democrat Ronald Reagan ran as a conservative the masses went ape and under Reagan the worst left wing legislation in history at the time was passed. Not only did Reagan sign the worst antigun legislation in history he granted amnesty to 2.9 million foreigners that came here without papers. There is much more to say. It is now someone else turn. I realize that the article says that the Republican Party is not the Party of Reagan Any More, but Reagan's brand of conservatism wasn't Republican nor was it a constitutionalist point of view. Where many people get it wrong, in my opinion, is thinking that conservatism has something to do with constitutionalism. The evidence suggests otherwise. The Tea Party Republicans, MAGA crowd and Establishment Republicans are not constitutionalists; they most assuredly are not the caliber of Christians our forefathers were and they definitely are not patriots. Since it's inception our political parties have been flawed. We started out with the Democratic Republican Party. The Democratic Republican Party existed from 1792 to 1834. It folded when the people found out that Democratic Republican is an oxymoron. To make it simple, in a Democracy the people vote and a simple majority rules. In our constitutional Republic we had guaranteed Rights that no majority could ever deprive the people of AND not all decisions rested on a simple majority. Super majorities, the electoral college AND the fact that used to NOT vote directly for U.S. Senators differentiated us from a Democracy. By the time we got to Reagan, the Republicans wanted America to get back on an even keel. Forced integration had ruined America and made the Blacks in this country a dependent people. Reagan wanted a meritocracy. Since your abilities rested solely on you, every person would be equal. Today, the right wing Republicans (Tea Party, MAGA, etc.) end up defending multiculturalism. Where Reagan would speak out against things like affirmative action, censoring the conservatives and reverse discrimination, the right wing Republicans advocate for it. Reagan believed in free market economics, but right wing Republicans only want to stop foreigners from coming here because they didn't come here " legally." Such dishonest nonsense! IF the current right wing Republicans could use their brain, they would realize that the harder we try to fight against Liberty, the worse we make our own problems. At the end of the day, the party of Trump is the party of sell out to the socialists and Democrats. Reagan was against National ID: www.endtime.com/articles-endtime-magazine/president-reagan-thats-mark-beast/The current crop of right wing Republicans are in favor of National ID and even Martial Law. That was the fodder of Democrats in Reagan's day. For additional facts: www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/09/26/reagan-gop-presidential-candidates/
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