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Post by The Resister on Oct 22, 2023 21:02:18 GMT
Woke - Half of America is for being woke and the other half oppose it. Me? I'm baffled by the whole thing. Here are some excerpts from an ABC News article: The definition of "woke" changes depending on who you ask. " The term has recently been used by some conservatives as an insult against progressive values. ...To be "woke" politically in the Black community means that someone is informed, educated and conscious of social injustice and racial inequality, Merriam-Webster Dictionary states. The term, in one of its contemporary meanings, began to gain more popularity at the start of the Black Lives Matter movement in 2014, according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary. The term has since been co-opted by some Republicans as a pejorative term this midterm election cycle to signify the identity-based social justice issues that some Democrats and progressives push for, representatives from the Democratic Governors Association and Working Families Party tell ABC News." abcnews.go.com/Politics/woke-conservatives/story?id=93051138Sooo... the Black community and the left have their version of what the term means. I wanted to see what the right says " woke" means (asking the right): " Carrie Sheffield, a senior fellow at the Independent Women’s Forum, says “woke” has evolved over the years, much like feminism. The word originally was used to signal awareness of racism and injustice. But, Sheffield says, its meaning has swung so far to the left, it now undermines tenets of Western civilization such as capitalism.
She argues that critical race theory – as it has been adapted at the K-12 level – is teaching schoolchildren to dislike each other". www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/03/10/what-does-woke-mean-republicans/11427923002/The term woke is evolving and since it was created by the left to be understood in a positive light, the left doesn't see that in the evolution of the term it is being used to further causes of the far left. Add to that, the left is just as clueless as to what their leaders are about that they don't know what woke means to their leadership. If you are for socialism, the right will say you're wokeIf you in favor of the LGBTQP agenda at the expense of the Rights of others the right will say you are wokeIf you support Critical Race Theory the right will say you are wokeIf you oppose capitalism the right will say you are wokeIf you support multiculturalism the right will say you are wokeIf you would surrender our national sovereignty the right will say you are wokeIf you believe in wholesale citizenship and letting people come across the border the right will say you are wokeIf you believe in socialized medicine the right will claim you are wokeIf you support reparations the right will say you are wokeIf you want gun control you are wokeIf you are a globalist the right will say you are wokeIf you reject the God of the Bible and our Christian heritage, you would be considered wokeThat is in no way an inclusive list, but anything tied to those issues is part of the woke agenda that the left wants to implement. If you support anything on the above list (and other things I didn't list) the right will call you woke. It's shameful, but those who actually are for one or more items on that list, most are ignorant of what it really means. Wait, though. I'm not giving the right a free ride. Here is what Donald J. Trump had to say about it: Former President Donald Trump told a crowd of supporters he doesn’t like the term “woke,” arguing that people using the term don’t know what it means.
“I don’t like the term ‘woke’ because I hear ‘woke woke woke.’ It’s just a term they use, half the people can’t even define it, they don’t know what it is,” Trump said Thursday during remarks at the Westside Conservative Club in Urbandale, Iowa." www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/02/donald-trump-woke-meaning/70279963007/Well, I've looked it up; I've tried to understand it. And while the right is using the term as a pejorative, the right sometimes aids in promoting the woke agenda. I'm concerned about what the things on that list are all about. Let's invite a few people to debate it and see what happens.
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Post by professorx on Oct 23, 2023 1:42:25 GMT
It appears to me that when the MAGA followers say woke it is intended to be anything they deem unpatriotic. The democrats never never fail to provide all the proof that they are in the ballpark. Democrats have Bernie Sanders. He is a self proclaimed socialist and communist by his own admission. AOC is un-American as the come. Nancy Pelosi has the poster girl for all things that are against the Constitution. Biden spent a career trying to take this country down. Somehow a term had to be invented that encompasses all of them.
Most liberals or maybe more accurately democrats and democratic socialists walk with the radicals that began the woke agenda. While those proclaiming to be woke may or may not believe in the whole agenda they will support those that do. Birds of a feather flock together. Some democrats may not see themselves as soldiers for the woke agenda. They might even think they are woke because they support a few things that are usually associated with the wokeism while not embracing it all. It still sounds the same to me.
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Post by The Resister on Oct 23, 2023 14:54:12 GMT
It appears to me that when the MAGA followers say woke it is intended to be anything they deem unpatriotic. The democrats never never fail to provide all the proof that they are in the ballpark. Democrats have Bernie Sanders. He is a self proclaimed socialist and communist by his own admission. AOC is un-American as the come. Nancy Pelosi has the poster girl for all things that are against the Constitution. Biden spent a career trying to take this country down. Somehow a term had to be invented that encompasses all of them. Most liberals or maybe more accurately democrats and democratic socialists walk with the radicals that began the woke agenda. While those proclaiming to be woke may or may not believe in the whole agenda they will support those that do. Birds of a feather flock together. Some democrats may not see themselves as soldiers for the woke agenda. They might even think they are woke because they support a few things that are usually associated with the wokeism while not embracing it all. It still sounds the same to me. When I go on websites and discussion boards to bring forth facts, the mindless dolts that control a given board will tell you I am liberal left winger or a MAGA cult follower, depending upon who I criticize at any given moment. I am neither and neither side is going to get a free pass here. Let's be brutally honest: America is falling apart at the seams and we're stuck on labels. Woke is used in the dictionary as a word that would evoke positive affirmations, but the people that started it used the term for nefarious purposes and, from there, the term went downhill and is misused by both sides. The left has different factions that like to rally around the term woke to hide the fact they are promoting forced integration, socialism, a war on private property, censorship, a war against the Right of Disassociation (i.e. the Right to discriminate"), promotion of sexual deviation, a war against Christianity, an attempt to commit genocide against the Posterity of the founders of this country and the framers of the Constitution along with bringing an end to our Republican Form of Government. The right uses the term to refer to all those who wage a war against the Constitution and our Christian heritage / national values (that existed in some form until the last half century in the U.S.) The problem is a twofold problem: On one hand you have the left that isn't hypocritical about the America they envision. It would be a ONE WORLD / ONE RACE / ONE RELIGION utopia wherein liberalism, progressivism, socialism, atheism, humanism and communism would reign supreme. The LGBTQP agenda would replace heterosexuals and the White people would eventually be wiped out. Oh, you'll get the nutjobs that claim they only want peace, love and a world with " less hate," but they will have no problem censoring those that disagree with them. Then you have the right, claiming that they are all about our values and our heritage... notice that when I bold a word, term or phrase it means something. The right claims... The right claims to be all about our heritage and the values that made America great. Then they support multiculturalism on their terms. Among the people arrested for participating in the Jan. 6 rally there were members of the LGBTQP community. Black politicians are joining the MAGA bandwagon. I don't understand the divide between the left and the right. The right didn't want to support Ukraine, citing the costs, but when the Israelis are attacked, the right finds all kinds of money to help them with. Both the left and the right seem to be committed to Jewish interests while they both use that jailhouse psychology of accusing the other of racism and antisemitism (being Jewish is no claim to being a Semite either, BTW.) They have no disagreement there either. The right claims to be about the Constitution; however, it was the Republican Party that introduced the 16th Amendment along with the income tax that is closely akin to the graduated income tax right out of the Communist Manifesto. Race relations? It was the Republicans that introduced and passed the illegally ratified 14th Amendment that supposedly gave Blacks a privilege (jokingly called a right) to vote. And, actually the illegally ratified 14th Amendment took away your unalienable Rights and made them government granted privileges and immunities. Today we don't have any Rights. We have equal rights, but no real Rights as the founders and framers envisioned. The head of MAGA wants gun control and the left wants gun control. On most issues the right and the left want the same, exact things - except for the race issue. The woke crowd wants the White people to die and go away unless they are part of the woke crowd. Some within the woke crowd will deny that to their dying breath, but those people have to go back and see who STARTED the woke agenda. Either way, it is the modern version of Sodom and Gomorrah... a literal HELL on earth. The laws of God which provided the foundational principles upon which we established our Constitution and the White race that built our form of government are being outlawed and eradicated. Without them we would not have become the greatest nation in the annals of history. And that is where I stand on the issue. You? |
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Post by The Resister on Oct 24, 2023 14:04:21 GMT
As is usually the case, people access the thread and they don't follow through by posting. They realize we have their number and they cannot get away with simple minded name calling. Woke is a changing definition that keeps changing as people put their own spin on it. The originalists, that is the Social Justice Warriors, had their spin on it. Then came the fairies with the Rainbow Coalition and put their spin on it. Then the liberals tried to co-opt the term for anyone that opposed them.
The right wing fell right into the left's trap by playing dirty AND not having sound and logical reasoning for opposing the woke agenda. When I was growing up it was said that it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game. Today, everybody plays dirty. The name of the game is to win. It doesn't matter how you win, you just win. Therefore, it has been easy to portray the right as hate filled, low information, uneducated hate mongers. While the woke agenda draws the bottom of the barrel of humanity on one hand, the opposition to the woke agenda draws the bottom of the barrel of the right to oppose it. Those in the middle sit it out making them complicit in the ultimate outcome.
America was founded on sound principles that helped us become the greatest nation in recorded history. My own opinion is that the more America fell into line with moral principles, the greater we became. Our greatness was proportional to our commitment and practice of moral absolutes. Today, unless you are willing to accept immorality and degeneracy, the left has a whole host of names to label the right by AND, sadly, the right plays right into the hands of the left on this point. Whether it's been the life of the standard bearer, a man that will need a stepladder to get into Hell, or the friends he has that live in the swamp - like the married Representative that was spotted dating a Democrat (and both of these individuals are married) that owned a gay bar that catered to the transsexual community or the scores of women who picked politics over their family and ended up in divorce court, the right has simply picked the wrong people to carry their banner.
Unfortunately for those who have bought into communist inspired propaganda and became Social Justice Warriors, that is only part of their problem. The left has co-opted their efforts. Today the notion of woke is about more than what was intended and politics makes for strange bedfellows. The right is unable to defeat the woke mob because they have their own problems with leadership and values. I am still waiting on either side to state their case.
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Post by professorx on Oct 24, 2023 21:20:38 GMT
The individual that we created this thread for came here and registered then did not post anything. They were one of those that have this idea that being woke means being able to see things others cannot. If you are woke then you can do what the MAGA cult does and it is not hate. That kind of attitude is hypocritical and dishonest. They saw that we are not hoodwinked on this site and bowed out of the discussion. They need the kind of site that will babysit people and not allow them the courtesy of speaking their mind. The left is so dishonest that they cannot participate on a level playing field.
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Post by noclevername on Oct 25, 2023 12:43:19 GMT
Social Justice Warriors prattle on about how bad discrimination is. What if you were legally barred from discrimination? Would you have to marry the first person that asked? The left has gone overboard with all of that stuff. For them to think they have some kind of right to stuff it down our throats is offensive. They accept all those other groups that sound like something out of the old movie Demolition Man.
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Post by The Resister on Dec 23, 2023 5:12:48 GMT
I continue to invite all sides to the table to have a real discussion of this woke issue. For the left they see being woke as a positive thing. It puts a negative spin on the Posterity of the framers of our Constitution; it belittles the founders; it makes a mockery of what used to be American values. Neither side will visit this thread as there is no bias confirmation for either side on this thread. Senator Ted Cruz, in talking about those who are woke recently stated: “ Some of those nuts believe America shouldn’t exist, that our existence is fundamentally illegitimate...” www.yahoo.com/news/cruz-suggests-far-left-believes-234958073.htmlIn an article on the subject, the mainstream (and outside of the U.S.) gives us a more balanced view of what woke means: " The definition of "woke" changes depending on who you ask.
The term is derived from African-American Vernacular English, used in racial justice movements in the early to mid-1900s. To be "woke" politically in the Black community means that someone is informed, educated and conscious of social injustice and racial inequality, as Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines." www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/who-is-esther-mcvey-and-what-does-anti-woke-mean-anyway/ar-AA1jYj0uIn America the big boogey man is discrimination (sic.) If you discriminate you are a low form of life. Do you oppose inter-racial marriage? Then the woke crowd doesn't believe you should be alive. If you want a militarized border, the woke crowd has no place for you. The thing is, politics makes for strange bedfellows, so while woke was basically a Marxist reply to a White America, it has now morphed. The LGBTQP community, undocumented foreigner, atheist, socialists, etc. have found a kindred spirit in the Marxists that originally coined the woke moniker. That is why the term is always changing and always in flux. The key thing to bear in mind, if you are not for anything left of center as it pertains to the left, then you are their enemy. Conversely, if you support the LGBTQP community, " open borders," Black Marxism, atheists, socialists or communists then the right will call you woke and intend it as a pejorative. I love being able to play the devil's advocate or maybe (more accurately) the real patriot's advocate in this discussion. I see a lot of flaws in both positions. The right has abandoned many of the traditional American values, having tossed them aside and refusing to discuss them. Therefore, both sides are remaking America; both have different values and those trying to be on one side or the other are really confused. Take the Black guy that went to a Christian church all his life now having to march in a rally to bring attention to his cause AND having to protest with gays and their " Pride flags." It gets confusing for those on the left. I was on the right and it became confusing for me. The right sounds like the left when they start disparaging those who criticize multiculturalism. Oh, the right says they are firmly against multiculturalism, but if someone invokes traditional values about race (and many times sexual orientation) the right loses it and goes ballistic screaming racist at anyone that doesn't worship at the altar of multiculturalism. Funny thing, they NEVER sit down and have a conversation with me on how, why or when they decided to repeal their commitment to the Preamble to the Constitution. Since they've done that, the right has now adopted over half the woke agenda, so I'm baffled as to what it really is both sides are fighting about. |
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Post by professorx on Dec 24, 2023 6:01:29 GMT
After a few months of simmering it is good to see this thread revived. Many people cannot understand the the controversy about being woke. It is supposed to be such a great thing. As has been pointed out those who accept woke on the basis of their personal political view learn that politics makes for strange bedfellows. It is an issue that is compounding as the MAGA crowd on the right is playing both sides of the fence and flimflamming the right into accepting multi-culturalism in increments.
America's values are changing and one day the people who used to be conservatives will have adopted the woke plan and defend it to their last days. We will not know what we had until we lost it.
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Post by The Resister on Dec 25, 2023 3:33:44 GMT
In less than two hours it will be Christmas and I'm thinking about wokeism instead of Santa Claus. The far left has taken the masses down some dark rabbit holes on the woke agenda. It started with a false narrative about slavery that was filled with half truths, innuendo and leaving out substantial parts of the story. For example:
Slavery was not started in the United States, but rather was abolished by more than half the states before the ratification of the Constitution
By constitutional mandate the importation was halted in 1808
Whites did not start slavery
In America slaves ate better, were paid better, had better housing, better health care and had longer life spans than their White skin, indentured servant contemporaries
That situation morphed into one where if a White discriminates against anything, it is heresy and punishable by a slow death. The LGBTQP community, kids with growing issues and those opposed to Christian values and / or traditional American values want the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution to be willing participants in their own genocide.
The right wing that was formerly composed of the "Patriot Movement" are equally delusional. They have bought into the emotion laden Pavlovian conditioning so that when they are accused of the humanist sin of "racism," they become defensive and want to prove they are the more committed negrophilist in the room. They complain about the sick ass people that allow their children to profess being nonbinary (sic), gay and get irreversible surgeries done on their sex organs before their brain is fully developed. Kids are being forced to commit to a sexual persuasion before they are taught how to read and write. The anti-Christ has gotten most of the right to join forces with the left on multiculturalism and socialist solutions to immigration woes. The right is now for National ID and the POLICE STATE. Virtually none of them have any Right to claim any connection, other than biological (if any) to the founders and framers of this country.
Finally, the right is happy to join the left in declaring that "no right is absolute" which is done in error after the United States Supreme Court ruled that no right is unlimited (see Heller v. U.S.) It is a game of semantics, but the earliest courts held that unalienable Rights are absolute and above the governing powers of the government. It was a poor attempt by the United States Supreme Court to reinterpret the Constitution and make new law. The problem is that is legislating from the bench and the Constitution confers no such authority to the high Court to do that. Still, those proselytes that have been converted (albeit without their direct knowledge) to the NEW WORLD ORDER agenda are doubling down and have become twofold the children of Hell than the Pharisees and Scribes ever were.
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