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Post by The Resister on Nov 26, 2023 18:11:29 GMT
There is a widespread belief that Christians are no longer under the law. From what I see, it is all about "love." Or so they say. We hear a lot about the love, peace, diversity, transparency, acceptance, equality, etc., etc. and if you're not committed to the agenda of the NEW WORLD ORDER (be it from the left or the right), then you will not be accepted. If you discriminate then you are a hate monger, racist, bigot, neo-Nazi, etc., etc. and unworthy of citizenship in the United Socialist States of Amerika.
All of this is baffling to me and I am NOT claiming any monopoly on having the right outlook or the right answers. I do have some uncomfortable questions and a lot of reality based conclusions based upon the evidence. I feel like, in this thread, I'll be like the guy who travels around with a canopy and a sign that he's against gun control and inviting anyone and everyone to change his mind. So, I want to give you my presupposition and the basic way I came to the conclusion:
I say that the law is still in effect and at this stage in my life, I'm old enough to have witnessed times when the overwhelming majority believed in the Laws of God (particularly those articulated by Moses) and times when the majority rejected the law. Let's begin with my first observation. Sin is the transgression of the law (see I John 3: 4)
If there is no law, then sin does not exist and there are NO moral absolutes. What is right or wrong is determined by the power of the masses (mob rule) and, as far as I can tell, the people who push the narrative that the Ten Commandments and / or other biblical laws are obsolete are closet Democrats. Some suffer from low information and sometimes no information. But, if they disagree with the first statement, here is their opportunity to straighten me out. But, remember all that is not denied in this thread is deemed to be admitted.
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Post by The Resister on Nov 26, 2023 22:12:57 GMT
When we read the Bible it is easy to claim that it contradicts itself. That is the easy way out. But, there are many admonitions in the Bible that lead to the truth:
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Timothy 2: 15
There are literal truths in the Bible and there are figurative truths; there are parables and allegories; there are even errors that are blamed on translators when, in fact, the problem is that the meaning of words changes and that is the fault of mortal men. ONLY the Elect can discern between truth and Jewish fables (along with other lies.)
"Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another..." Proverbs 25: 9
One poster told me that he didn't like me trying to "argue from a position of power" and using links and other reference material to prove my point. Another says "if you don't have a link, it isn't true." Then if you use a mainstream reference, the trolls will do that SMH crap in a response as an attempt to marginalize the facts. But, the nonbeliever knows exactly how they feel and they don't want you to use their own words against them (although their strategy is to do it to you.) Censoring me, banning me and using the advantage of mob rule to drown me out is NOT what the Bible instructs. Debate your cause, lay your cards on the table, put all the knowns out there and discover there are no secrets. Debate on a level playing field. The Bible is the antithesis of group think.
So, are we under the law or not? Those who want to do away with the law ultimately end up quoting Romans 6: 14 and 15 as alleged proof of their position:
"14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."
Seems pretty up front, doesn't it? Or does it? There is more to the story. The next time I post the post will be longer (unless someone chimes in and I have to detour.) We're going to get to the bottom of this.
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Post by The Resister on Nov 27, 2023 4:39:49 GMT
The American system of jurisprudence is based on the English Common Law. English Common Law is based on the Bible: " So just as our English language has sprung from AngloSaxon, Teutonic, French, Latin and Greek roots, our English common law with its unsurpassed powers of assimilation, elimination and expansion, has its origins in old local customs, the civil law, the canon law of the Church, the writings of philosophers and texts of Scripture, interwoven with the accumulation of a thousand years of statutes and judicial decisions." scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7211&context=penn_law_review" Common law is law that is derived from judicial decisions instead of from statutes. American courts originally fashioned common law rules based on English common law..." www.law.cornell.edu/wex/common_lawMy experiences are unique. I studied theology then law and back to theology (having worked primarily in law.) In doing so, I used my legal training to figure out what the Bible means. For example, we are told in the Ten Commandments " thou shalt not kill." When I cite that, you will always get some smart ass on the Internet trying to school me as if I'm oblivious to Bible case law like David v. Goliath or maybe the case of Phineas who took a javelin and killed an inter-racial couple whereupon God saved the people from an AIDS like plague. Then, of course, there was Samson who took the jawbone of an ass and killed a thousand men. Only an idiot would graduate from a Bible College and not know the difference between killing someone and committing murder. The Bible has laws for self defense, war, etc. Anyway, we consider THE primary verse whereby the non-believers and misinformed ( IN MY OPINION OF COURSE) go way off field. Here it is (again): " 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." Romans 6: 14 and 15 What follows is not clear about what is meant if you are just looking at a few verses, so let's back up a bit. Turn to Romans 3: 31: " Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." It's real confusing so I'm going to have to explain this in legal terms since about 80 percent of the Bible deals with government and laws. During ancient times, God's Elect made animal sacrifices and after Jesus shed His blood on the cross, it negated the ritual (the law) requiring animal sacrifices. Then, as some profess, the law was done away with and we're no longer under the law and that ultimately leads (and has lead to) complete debauchery and rejection of God's Word. God's people were under penalty of the law. Once a Christian is saved, they are now living under grace. But, what is that all about? And what does that mean that we establish the law? Allow me an example: Suppose that a person goes to court on a felony and is sentenced to a harsh prison term. He was under the law. Along comes a sympathetic governor. He decides that this person has served enough time and the crime is deemed paid for (that is the human equivalent of grace.) This individual has paid for their crime and is now free to go. He / she is " no longer under the law" having satisfied the system and been pardoned. That individual is considered forgiven. Now, the million dollar question: Can that individual go out and commit that crime again and go free? Of course not. They are still under the law. They still have to obey the statutes, ordinances, etc. Our common law principles mimic the English common law and English common law is derived from the Bible, so it made sense to me that the principles upon which our forefathers used to arrive at decisions of right and wrong followed a certain legal trajectory. And that trajectory is wholly consistent with what the Bible says. Once the concept is understood, there are no inconsistencies or contradictions regarding this issue. We are still under the law. God does not change. |
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Post by noclevername on May 16, 2024 12:18:38 GMT
There seems to be so much stuff in the Bible that is contradictory to what you said here that it needs clarification. The problem seems to be with one man that says we are under the law then we are no longer under the law. It is all confusing. Many apologies for not commenting on this sooner. Maybe you should consider a blog like some of the other resisters. The interaction is better. It is just that people have been taught to do things a certain way no matter the possibilities. In any event it would be much appreciated if you could continue and address the supposed inconsistencies about this in the Bible.
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