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Post by The Resister on Dec 11, 2023 13:15:10 GMT
From my own personal experience my dad is a 32 Degree Freemason. After years of my speaking to him of the Evils of Freemasonry he denied any of it but he no longer attends meetings anymore or any of their events. I believe he got out for me as his son and his family. I also believe some blue lodges are in denial of what some Freemasons do. I have read a lot on Freemasonry and my dad either denies it or is in denial of it. I would never join Freemasonry and believe the Bible is totally against this Secret Society. I used to ask my dad why is it you need to be a Freemason to help kids? There are plenty of organizations and ways to help Children without becoming a Mason. My personal study of the American Civil War and Revolutionary War proves many officers were Freemasons. Even when one Freemason is fighting against another there is a loyalty to one another still. Many examples of this during the Battle of Gettysburg. My grandfather died when I was very young or before I was born. Anyway, my grandmother remarried and my then grandfather (by marriage) was a Mason. When he passed away another Mason with an apron came from another state and delivered the eulogy. He had my grandfather's apron on a small table in front of the casket, so my grandfather must have had some high rank. The memory isn't very vivid as I was extremely young. Since then I have read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike and several other books about Masonry by Masons. They are a part of my personal library. In addition, I was ordained in the World Church League which then affiliated themselves with the Latter Day Saints (LDS) and that forced me to make my exit. The Mormons have adopted a lot of Masonic symbols and hopefully we will get into that later. Despite all of that I have personally been in an organization that turned out to be a satellite group for the Masons. Not having been much of a student of world religions I didn't pay attention to a lot of what looked like irrelevant mumbo jumbo. That kind of implied that most people join the Masons and never study the history and meaning behind the symbols and rituals. So far, nothing in our research has indicated how the Masons changed in ideology, added secrets, beliefs, etc. post 1776 when the Illuminati began infiltrating the Masons. Another thing that goes along with what you said: I clerked in a law office for Jimmy Venable in the last years of his life. Venable was the head honcho of the Ku Klux Klan and the last surviving member of the Klan that rebirthed that organization atop Stone Mountain in the 1920s. And he pretty much proved what you say. Venable had a famous client by the name of Hosea Williams. Williams was not only Black, but he was the top lieutenant of Martin Luther King, Jr. and heir to King's political empire called the SCLC. If you are ever at my house, ask to see the documentation. Freemasons through the Shriners does a lot of good in order to hide the evil intents of the organization at large. Most likely, the majority of the members are ignorant of what Masonry is about. So, keep up with this discussion and, most importantly, the internal links so that you can witness to others more effectively on what it is the real master plan is within Masonry. |
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Post by professorx on Dec 11, 2023 18:17:50 GMT
To get back to the topic at hand it can be concluded that Washington may have been a high ranking officer in the Masons. It can also be concluded that he did not know what was going on inside the organization and that is not unusual. Organizations like to recruit those with a name and then give them a title for the public relations value. It looks like Washington was a Mason. He just was not involved in the conspiracy agenda.
Thomas Jefferson was not a member of the Masons. He had family that were Masons and Jefferson caved in to the Masons which makes him guilty by association and deeds done as favors.
The next big name among founders is Benjamin Franklin. Franklin had a career. He was an inventor. He did extensive travel. What did he know and what did he do that is connected to Freemasonry?
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Post by lee on Dec 11, 2023 23:58:45 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more Sir. As a individual interested in history I admire Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. Jackson. I was happy finding out early neither of them were Freemasons. To my best understanding Washington was told about the Illuminati and even showed a book called " Proofs of a Conspiracy." He was against what the Illuminati represented and several letters of his prove this. Alot of Society's and Organizations use their famous members as a way of public relations. What do you know about Benjamin Franklin?
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Post by lee on Dec 12, 2023 23:08:02 GMT
For the time period around 1776 I imagine most people were not Freemasons, but a lot of people were indeed Christians. I am sure as we can see by History that many Freemasons were at the forefront of founding our country. I would like to believe the Christians had more authority and decisions in the choices made. God spoke to the heart and soul to many in the Colonies and I believe the Founders put their thoughts to God in the writing of the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution. What's your opinion?
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Post by The Resister on Dec 12, 2023 23:43:17 GMT
It appears that Benjamin Franklin was a dedicated Mason. But, exactly what was his involvement and what did He think all of that secret tree house mentality stuff was about? Here is the thing for me:
Everything I read focuses on the Illuminati and its takeover of Freemasonry. How effective or ineffective they were seems to be a point of contention between conspiracy buffs and conspiracy deniers. My question is, what was the agenda BEFORE the Illuminati got involved in Freemasonry? Were they that evil? Did they pledge oaths to pagan Gods? Let's examine some facts:
Benjamin Franklin was, most likely, the smartest American that ever lived. He discovered electricity, invented bifocals and the armonica (an antiquated musical instrument that was used by Beethoven and Mozart.) Franklin is the only person to have signed all four of the key documents establishing the U.S.- the Declaration of Independence (1776), the Treaty of Alliance with France (1778), the Treaty of Paris establishing peace with Great Britain (1783) and the U.S. Constitution (1787). He started the first public library, was among the first to work in the postal system and became this country's first postmaster general. Franklin organized the Pennsylvania Militia and he helped raise money for a city hospital plus ran a successful newspaper and published “Poor Richard’s Almanack,” and so many other things I'd need a twelve paragraph post just to list them. Since he would have been 70 years old by the time the Illuminati was founded, I'm wondering what Franklin's understanding was of his Masonic obligations (if any.) When did Franklin find time to delve into pagan religions and plot the destruction of a Republic that eschewed the very things the Illuminati stood for? Why even bother building something you plan on destroying?
I'm trying to be objective, so it seems to me that some of what Freemasons believe in corresponds to what some so - called Christians believe. One of those things I suspect that the Masons believe is the false doctrine of the universal equality of man and that all religions are praying to the same deity (regardless of what they call him / her i.e. Allah, Buddah, etc.) Using that as a starting point I can see where Masons could influence non-Masons to work on behalf of ONE WORLD causes. Benjamin Franklin owned slaves from the mid 1700s and while in London Franklin flipped on the slavery issue, ending his slave owning days by 1780 (or thereabouts.) Did Franklin get flipped in his 70s by the forces that wanted to destroy the very kind of government Franklin worked to create? There is a lot to understand so I have many questions.
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Post by professorx on Dec 13, 2023 4:37:19 GMT
After doing some research in light of this discussion it really is difficult to figure this out. If you really believe in conspiracies a weak case can be made that this country was brought into existence by way of Freemasonry and the Illuminati. For now it looks like it is back to the drawing board and try to find out how much power and influence the Illuminati had and what the Freemasons did in regards to the founding of America. Most recent search revealed that James Madison was not a Mason. digitaldoorway.montpelier.org/2019/03/05/james-madison-and-freemasonry/ |
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Post by The Resister on Dec 13, 2023 23:05:35 GMT
I wanted to check back in on this although I don't really have any news on it. It is going to be a few days before I can wade through the material gathered up so far. One thing is for certain: The only people that write about Freemasonry are Freemasons and people who study the conspiracy view of history. It's near impossible to find a non-partisan view. Those who want to marginalize the facts expose themselves by accusing conspiracy researchers as being paranoid. If you question the facts, the pro-Masonic forces deny, deny, deny. If you ask the conspiracy religionists, everybody in our history was either a Mason and /or a pawn in the game. According to this narrative (from either side), they never consider an alternative possibility: The hand of God was in all of the political jockeying and while the Illuminati was busy with secretly putting their mark on history, a greater number of Christian - Patriots were doing the same thing. John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, was nominated by George Washington. Yet Jay aligned himself with Madison and Madison authored the Second Amendment. Jay was very much involved in private property Rights. So, I'm not following the religion of conspiracy on this one. It's too bad we don't have activists from both sides to discuss it, but just to illustrate how partisan this subject is, think about groups that hold themselves out as sources of information (SUPPOSEDLY) not affiliated with either side: www.history.com/news/freemasons-facts-symbols-handshake-meaningwww.intel.gov/index.php/articles/957-john-jay-the-founding-father-of-counterintelligenceBTW, Jay was not a Mason. |
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Post by The Resister on Dec 14, 2023 20:46:13 GMT
This site keeps racking up "views," but no conversation save of us regulars. I am going to put my .02 cents worth and then take a break and allow the rest of you to chime in. John Jay, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton worked together as founders of this country, and they worked with Benjamin Franklin who was a Mason. The there was Thomas the tool Jefferson who wasn't a Mason, but was a sympathetic ear. Then there was George Washington who was the highest ranking of the Masons, but got his apron in the mail and went for thirty years without going inside a lodge.
All of that got me to thinking. Who was the man (or men) that thought Franklin or Washington should have their organization's highest honor conferred upon them? Whoever put Washington in his position wasn't even IN the United States. Isn't it more likely that the Freemasons promoted those of a political persuasion for the optics of it all? The reason that I ask is that Lt. Col. Gordon "Jack" Mohr became a part of the Christian - Patriots Defense League (CPDL) several decades ago. He spoke at a couple of meetings, but was not in any meeting where the agenda was being set. This kind of situation is Standard Operating Procedure for MANY organizations. The CPDL elected / nominated / appointed (however it was decided) Mohr to be a Brigadier General of the CPDL. He was more of a figurehead than a policy maker and shed the Brigadier General title when his military acquaintances confronted him.
This far into this discussion and I'm thinking that what little the Illuminati influenced the founding of our nation, it was precious little. That is why so many other organizations sprung up to promote certain aspects of the over-all Illuminati agenda.
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Post by lee on Dec 15, 2023 1:24:25 GMT
Yes, I believe the Freemasons, Illuminati, Christians all had a Agenda according to their beliefs. I am sure the Majority were Christians, and I would like to believe they had the majority rule and say so in the founding. To my understanding Washington was against the Illuminati and their plans and opposed them in letters. I agree with your previous post regarding Washington was a Freemason and he most likely wasn't aware of certain Agendas by others.
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Post by professorx on Dec 15, 2023 16:49:02 GMT
Yes, I believe the Freemasons, Illuminati, Christians all had a Agenda according to their beliefs. I am sure the Majority were Christians, and I would like to believe they had the majority rule and say so in the founding. To my understanding Washington was against the Illuminati and their plans and opposed them in letters. I agree with your previous post regarding Washington was a Freemason and he most likely wasn't aware of certain Agendas by others. We are in agreement so far that not every founder that was a Mason was in on the conspiracy. That is not to say that the Illuminati had no influence. It means that America was built on Christian ideals and not Illuminist ideology. The thing that Americans are not considering is what foundations our republic stands on. This country was not intended to be a theocracy. That is true and it is also true that if you do not agree with the belief that America was built on Freemasonry ideology then you must be saying we are a theocracy. Americans will have it no other way. The people in this country expect all Christians to above reproach. They expect them to be perfect. They expect the government to be perfect if we say it is a Christian nation. What they do not realize is that they are also saying that Freemasonry failed since they have not been able to gain full control of America in almost 250 years. What is holding the Freemasons back? |
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Post by The Resister on Dec 15, 2023 21:07:19 GMT
Glad you guys are still considering this topic. Let's review some facts about the founders that were Masons
George Washington - He was against the Illuminati and hadn't set foot in a lodge for 30 years when confronted about what goes on inside the lodges
Benjamin Franklin - Benjamin Franklin was already 70 years old when the Illuminati was founded by Adam Weishaupt. Compare that to the senility of someone in his age group like Joe Biden. Franklin, a major player in a conspiracy? I'm not buying that either
Joseph Hewes (Howes) - was a Mason, but cut ties with them at the beginning of the Revolution
William Hooper - was a Mason, but fell out of favor with the public and ceased to be any kind of influence with the public
William Whipple - was a Mason. He left politics and was a military officer after 1777. Being a fighting man I'm not seeing a lot of opportunities to participate in a conspiracy.
That leaves us a total of four men out of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence that might have participated in destroying the Republic. John Hancock was a militia leader that flopped and went in to politics. He was the first governor of Massachusetts and served nine terms in that office. William Ellery was so insignificant that even the Masons don't know what happened to him. He could have been an undercover agent, but he was never in a position to guide any agenda. Robert Treat Paine became a politician. Richard Stockton, a Mason, considered himself so insignificant that he wrote:
"The public is generally unthankful, and I never will become a Servant of it, till I am convinced that by neglecting my own affairs I am doing more acceptable Service to God and Man."
George Walton (the county over from me is named for him) served as secretary of the Provincial Congress in 1775, as a member of the committee of intelligence, and served as a member of the council of safety in 1775. He served in the Continental Congress and went on to become governor of Georgia, then chief justice in 1795 and 1796.
That accounts for all of them and VERY FEW would have any great impact on the American agenda. They may have had some, but it would be like saying that Libertarians are charting the course of America today.
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Post by professorx on Dec 17, 2023 3:11:49 GMT
This far into the thread and the work has been done for us. The Resister has been sent a copy of the book The Question of Freemasonry and the Founding Fathers Was America Founded by Freemasons? The book is by David Barton. Barton is a good researcher although some of his more recent works have raised a lot of eyebrows. Let's spend some time reading the book and revisit this thread later on. We are busy with other stuff and need to address other topics. If you want more details. www.christianbook.com/question-freemasonry-and-the-founding-fathers/david-barton/9781932225372/pd/225372 |
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Post by The Resister on Jan 3, 2024 23:46:30 GMT
www.christianbook.com/question-freemasonry-and-the-founding-fathers/david-barton/9781932225372/pd/225372That is the only link that everyone needs. There has been very little interest in this subject. It is imperative that people understand it in light of the conspiracy view of history. The above link will get you hooked up with a great book that is well documented and represents David Barton before he changed course in his teachings. Suffice it to say, Masons DID NOT influence the founding of America in any significant way and the book by David Barton gives the timelines as to the various questions I had going in to this subject. IF you want to discuss the subject, but don't want to read the book, we can do more discussion at your request.
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