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Post by professorx on Mar 9, 2024 23:59:16 GMT
We need to have a topic starter about understanding the law. The last thread lost me as it is not my regular occupation. It was about immigration and the law quotes were getting slung around so that few people could really understand what was being said and what was being fought over. You do not want us lost so how about a dummies thread for understanding that legal jargon?
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Post by The Resister on Mar 10, 2024 21:40:35 GMT
Okay. I'll play, but I won't sugarcoat the law for you. Let's look at the way things really are versus what you've been taught. For example, if you went to school they told you there are three separate, co - equal branches of the government: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. B.S. There are many branches of the government and other entities that govern your life. Here is a sampling:
Executive - Executes the laws - Presidents and governors are executive officials Legislative - "Congress" which is the Senate and the House of Representatives - Collectively they are called "Congress," but members of the House are referred to as your congressman / congresswoman / congressperson (depending upon what it PC at the time) Judicial - Judges and the judicial branch has the trial courts, courts of appeal and the United States Supreme Court
Then you have the REAL players in the game:
The News and Entertainment Media - The news and entertainment media develop headlines for the politicians to respond to then the news and entertainment media create the characters that vie for your votes and / or support / attention The news and entertainment is the political propaganda arm of the government
Regulatory Agencies - While federal regulatory agencies are supposed to come under the purview of the President of the United States, the only power a president usually extends is to go through the motions of appointing the officers of such agencies. After that the regulatory agencies pass their own laws, create their own standards and prosecute people according to those laws - which are written by people you and I did not vote for and who are not accountable to the electorate.
Private Companies - There are private corporations that the government contracts with and those entities create their own laws, have their own courts and operate above the government of the United States. One such example is the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The IRS is a private collection agency that collects "taxes" from the subjects inside the United States. Their only client is the United States government, but it is such a complex clusterph^(%, it would take a thread just to understand how they operate.
In short these are but a few of the things one would need in order to understand the laws of this country.
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Post by professorx on Mar 11, 2024 14:41:16 GMT
I want to know more about the real details of legal research itself and how people can do their own research and understand all that legal double talk as we experienced in that citizenship thread. Do you have any suggestions on where to start? I have been following along for years and reading patriot type literature even reading the legal cases and just do not comprehend all of what you guys were arguing over.
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Post by The Resister on Mar 11, 2024 22:00:54 GMT
I want to know more about the real details of legal research itself and how people can do their own research and understand all that legal double talk as we experienced in that citizenship thread. Do you have any suggestions on where to start? I have been following along for years and reading patriot type literature even reading the legal cases and just do not comprehend all of what you guys were arguing over. In order to explain that you, you have to understand how the courts are set up. Whether state or federal, the hierarchy is about the same. You have: Trial courts Courts of Appeals (Appellate courts) Supreme Court Whether civil or criminal courts they follow that general hierarchy. A case begins in a trial court and once appealed, it goes to an appeals court and if one party or another wants to appeal that, it goes to a supreme court. To make this more understandable I will concentrate on the federal level since that is what is most relevant. Here is a link to understanding the federal courts: www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/federal-courts
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Post by The Resister on Mar 14, 2024 17:34:44 GMT
We keep hoping that more people will want this kind of information and I thank the OP for this thread. Barring any back and forth exchange, let's get down to some things you can start with if you want to understand the law: www.nolo.com/legal-researchIF you're serious about legal research, this is on sale for about $35 right now. I've been doing this stuff for over 30 years and started out with the first NOLO Legal Research book published. It is simply the best for those with no legal research experience: store.nolo.com/products/legal-research-lres.htmlIf you have questions about this stuff past what is above, I will be glad to try and help and / or point you in the right direction.
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Post by The Resister on Mar 19, 2024 0:04:23 GMT
All of us need to check in a few times every month to see how this thread is progressing for those who want to know how to really do legal research. Many of you have NO IDEA how many trolls there are that think they understand legal research, but argue way out of their league and mislead a lot of people. In the judicial system, there are different tiers of courts whether we talk state or federal level. Trial courts and the places where lawsuits and prosecutions begin. Either side can appeal to an appeals court and, if a federal / constitutional issue is to be decided, it can ultimately end up in the United States Supreme Court regardless of whether the original suit or prosecution started out in state or federal court. The United States has original jurisdiction in a limited number of instances and those can be found in the United States Constitution, Article III Section 2. Simple enough? It wasn't for me either when I first began learning this stuff. Rather than give you a wall of text, this link will tell most of what you need to know: people.howstuffworks.com/judicial-system.htm
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Post by johndrake on Mar 19, 2024 12:13:44 GMT
Nobody should have to make three posts without feedback. This is a very informative thread and gives people a way to find what they may not have known to ask for. This has made understanding the law much easier and you should be made aware that at least one person on the Internet is learning new things.
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Post by The Resister on Apr 11, 2024 12:52:17 GMT
Thank you for weighing in on this. I have to be at work shortly, but I'm going to try and make a point here: It is imperative that all of those who hope to make some kind of difference understand the basics of the law and history. In the first place you have disinformation agents that will work on you from a psychological perspective, always trying to get you indoctrinated into NEW WORLD ORDER ideology. If you aren't as smart as they are when it comes to understanding BASICS, then have the advantage in both converting you and also making you look bad in any exchanges you have with them when you try to help educate the public. From an understanding point of view: It is necessary to have a proper world perspective on our laws and to know how our system of jurisprudence came to be so that you can follow the progression of our downfall. It will also help you to understand the strategies used by the enemies of America as they tear down our Republic. Just as Satan knows how to quote, misquote and misapply Scripture in order to corrupt people, so do the enemies of America know how to B.S. their way through this subject to con you into working against your own best interests. From a legal point of view: It is necessary to understand what constitutes best evidence in order to have a firm grounding in what should be legal in order to promulgate a coherent legal argument. Knowing the proper things about history will help you understand how the enemies of America deliberately corrupted our form of government. I'd like to quote a couple of founders on how you should apply an understanding of the law: " The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, ... If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield." George Washington in his Farewell Address billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/washingtons-farewell-address" On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." Thomas Jefferson in a private letter teachingamericanhistory.org/document/letter-to-justice-william-johnson/I'll resume this thread later if there are some views on the counter to justify continuing.
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Post by professorx on Apr 16, 2024 3:28:37 GMT
This topic should be brought back to life. Allow me. The thing for me was figuring out was what is best evidence. In courts it is all about things like statutes and ordinances and rules, regulations executive orders. Then that is followed up by what the courts say. It is about how they interpret the law. There is positive law which is just the laws enacted by a duly authorized legislature. There is also something called negative law but it is detailed and needs a link. fedsoc.org/commentary/publications/negative-legislation#:~:text=Negative%20legislation%20allows%20Congress%20to,agree%20how%20to%20fix%20it. Did anybody read all that? I did. That is because we have to anticipate trolls trying to pretend to be legal eagles muddying up the water. It is necessary to anticipate trying to explain man made legal attempts at a theorem that fails to convince all the legal scholars. We can mention it and let potential researchers educate themselves. Aside from the things brought up here there are different ways some in the legal field explain ways of interpreting the laws. A person can be a strict constructionist or they might be an originalist or they might be one of those that believe the lines are not very clear and see the law both ways. Maybe someone can jump in and make it easier to explain?
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