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Post by johndrake on Apr 5, 2024 4:36:54 GMT
As many of lurkers out there know the senior members of this board have asked me to step in as administrator. When we are not chasing trolls or trying to find that topic that brings more people to the table we seem to be trying to create an identity here. What has been posted here has really opened my eyes. Taking that into consideration it would be immensely helpful if someone here could explain the disconnect between what the right advocates and what the prevailing thought is on this board.
What is America about and what are we trying to achieve? How are we to appeal to a significant number of people and bring them to the table? What do you see as the differences between those who support Trump and the ideology of those that do the lion's share of the posting? You all have been gracious enough to answer questions in an orderly manner on other threads. Can you help out and do it one more time on this thread?
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Post by The Resister on Apr 5, 2024 15:05:04 GMT
I may as well go first in this big story of how Resisters became estranged from what was once called the Patriot Movement and was coopted by the Tea Party and later MAGA. The disconnect, to the best of my knowledge and belief, began in the early 2000s. At that time the Patriot Movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective) had been winning some battles that they felt were significant in the fight for Liberty. Some of those battles included, but were not limited to: Exposing the globalist agenda and ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT / ONE WORLD RELIGION Fighting and winning the battle against National ID Preserving the Right to keep and bear Arms Declaring our Preamble status from the illegally ratified Fourteenth Amendment Repealing the 16th Amendment and getting rid of the IRS and the income tax Using civilian militias to protect the private property along the border On all of these issues the Patriot Movement was winning. People like William Cooper, Anthony Hilder, Ralph Epperson and even Pat Robertson (among many others) were exposing the globalist conspiracy. I'm not saying I agree with those guys. I'm just pointing out that there was an effort to expose ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. We were defeating National ID and the use of the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, " Social Security Number" (SSN) as identification. I even had a personal win in the Georgia assembly when they rewrote a law that had just passed to give parents the right to object to using the SSN as a student ID number (in which case the school would assign a number). People all across America were rescinding their SSN and reclaiming their Preamble Rights under the Constitution. The illegally ratified Fourteenth Amendment was dying a death by a thousand cuts. Aaron Russo released the documentary, Freedom to Fascism, wherein the whole IRS / income tax scam was exposed; my own U.S. Congressman introduced the FAIR Tax (the most researched legislation in U.S. history). Civilian militias were popping up, helping people protect their private property Rights and manning the border (especially along private property lines). Then, 9 / 11 happened. Almost immediately the left and the right traded places. The right took up Bill Clinton's approach to the immigration debacle; a right wing Tea Party Republican introduced the so - called " Patriot Act" AND the National ID - REAL ID Act (which then inspired the silly E Verify agenda) the Tea Party and later the MAGA crowd embraced the POLICE STATE. America would be forever changed. We, at Resisters, constitute what was once the Patriot Network, U.S. Militias and the Militia of Georgia along with their former supporting organizations. We set forth what we believe at usresisters.com and this is a link to the Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man: www.usresisters.com/charter/
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Post by professorx on Apr 6, 2024 3:22:23 GMT
The above seems to be consistent with the way things went down. The right did not stop with the Patriot Act, National ID, E Verify, and militarizing the police. They also picked up the left wing democrat cries over immigration. It was amazing to see how quickly the right bought into left wing ideology without even batting an eye. The right, MAGA, or whatever people call it these days does not seem to have an agenda past getting Trump elected. It is as if they see him as being a dictator in charge for eternity.
It has been presented on this board what we are for. I am a proud supporter of the Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man. The old guard concerned itself with liberty and freedom and personal accountability. We wanted to be off the grid and off of the government's radar. Today the right wants government assured safety and they want to be part of the new world order. They deny it yet none of them want to have a civil discourse about what patriots knew 25 or 50 or more years ago.
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Post by The Resister on Apr 6, 2024 4:18:57 GMT
I like threads like this one. It got us talking on the phone tonight about this and it has been very deep. You have to remember those of us John refers to as the senior members have been active for more than 40 years. I first became interested before I got of high school. What many people think represents the type of men that founded this country and framed its Constitution are so far different, they aren't even close. And for those of us that watched the Reagan years and then 9 / 11 it was scary how much this country changed.
Our forefathers would be rolling over in their graves if their remains hadn't turned to dust if they knew how many sold out and then pretend to be the same caliber of people that the founders and framers were. On other boards people are so out of touch with reality that any question you ask makes you a troll and any criticism you make of one side means you must be a shill for the other side. People can't handle the truth about what their favorite politicians did while in office NOR can they believe that there is no difference between a Democrat and a Republican. Both are going to the same destination, just by different routes.
We can only state what it is we believe in and when a person become disillusioned; when they learn what we did the hard way, they will seek the truth and they will want different answers. We can provide it. If / when there is any resistance to tyranny, we will be on the front lines. I'm not going to be the one that starts it or leads the charge. But, what I will do is provide the information, training and resources for those that want to resist. We aren't good at the meet, eat and retreat way of doing business. Neither are we keyboard commandos.
Once an idea is stated, such as that in The Charter and Proclamation, we have more in depth discussions about what will replace the order of things after the Constitution officially falls. The Resistance (or whatever it will become) will have to have their own ideology. If it is to be successful, it will have to be patterned after that which was successful in the past. We've been at that point for at least half a century where the equivalent of the Declaration of Independence needs to be drafted. At some point, we are hopeful that The Charter and Proclamation will inspire those who want to choose a direction to go in. All people know today is follow Trump and he will save you all. Sadly, that man never READ the Constitution.
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
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Post by johndrake on Apr 6, 2024 22:33:56 GMT
Having researched the many links afforded by this board in a variety of threads the position taken by U.S. Resisters is pretty impressive. At the same time it is amazing visiting all the sites where they take the positions championed by globalists. One of you said it best with the lipstick on a pig analogy. The one thing that jumps out at me personally is the lack of importance and understanding many people have about the unalienable rights that are the central theme of this board. It begs one to ask if there is a real American effort left in this country. Can you go a bit more into what we can achieve on this board?
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Post by The Resister on Apr 8, 2024 3:34:14 GMT
Having researched the many links afforded by this board in a variety of threads the position taken by U.S. Resisters is pretty impressive. At the same time it is amazing visiting all the sites where they take the positions championed by globalists. One of you said it best with the lipstick on a pig analogy. The one thing that jumps out at me personally is the lack of importance and understanding many people have about the unalienable rights that are the central theme of this board. It begs one to ask if there is a real American effort left in this country. Can you go a bit more into what we can achieve on this board? I've been out most of the day and then got sucked into watching some of Wrestlemania 40. I will try to be as brief as possible. Stick with me. Our immediate hope is that people will read The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man and make it their own We want to use this board to get serious people talking about serious issues. We want to get beyond memes and bias confirmation posts - give us substantial questions and discuss not flame each other while learning from each other The Charter, it is hoped, will act as a catalyst for someone or some group to produce the equivalent of the Magna Carta, Scottish Declaration of Independence (Declaration of Arborath) or our own Declaration of Independence We want to teach people how to get off the grid, become self reliant and self sufficient so they can reclaim their privacy and their Liberty We want to network with those tired of social media and the jokes we have for politicians. It's time to quit throwing our votes away on Democrats and Republicans when neither side is committed to the fundamental principle of Liberty Those today who think that the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, militarized border, gun bans / registrations / confiscations, assaults on privacy and having a government God is something to be defended aren't cut from the same cloth as the founders and framers. ALSO, we had the same problems that society is dealing with today. Yet we employed different ways to deal with the situation. At some point, we can only hope that those who start flaming us for disagreeing with their approaches will develop a more mature sense of listening, asking questions and engaging in actual dialogue. For example, on another discussion board, one smart azz is telling people that I'm a liberal because I supposedly never have anything negative to say about the left. That was B.S. because I DO condemn the left, Biden, Harris, etc. and in posts that I start! The real issue is that if you care about this country, you already know what the left is and how quickly they screw up everything they touch. The more important issue is what those who claim to be on the right are doing which is calculated to take us down the same path that the left has planned. These are touchy subjects, but we have to address them before time runs out - and if you cherish your Freedoms and Liberties, you will swallow your ego and question the cow dung you've been fed by the poseurs.
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Post by professorx on Apr 8, 2024 15:07:10 GMT
We live in a time when people should be practicing resistance and living in an underground economy. It seems like everybody is rushing to be part of globalism. We have tried to get people to build communities within communities. In other words you live in a community but have a few select friends that know what is going on and do business with each other and avoid the outside world. It is necessary that everyone know exactly what is going on so they can plan accordingly. The current thinking only goes as far as the next election and it does not deal with where this country is going.
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Post by johndrake on Apr 8, 2024 20:05:41 GMT
If you look at where the average American is at in terms of thinking the conspiracy stuff like one world government it appears to be passé. That is not to say it lacks a sound basis. It just does not have the emotional punch it did when you gents were younger. While there does not seem to be a right answer it is obvious that if it were not for the troll or federal disinformation agent or pissed off woman that trolls the Resister he might be making better progress on the road he has chosen to follow. I am going to tell you what I think. Professor X, the Resister, and lee are all people that share a commonality. They post on social media while not utilizing what they do have. None of you have posted pictures outside of links and none of you do memes. The offer here is to teach you how to do those things and harness the board's possibilities.
In addition you should pursue podcasts and other modern outlets so as to reach as broad an audience as possible. We are all united in stopping Liquid Reigns and for her the heat is going to be turned up a little more until she goes away.
The current people in charge of this country and those who want to be do not have any long range plan and they have no vision. Both sides hate the other and continue to pit each side against the other while there is no end game. While the MAGA supporters are criticizing this effort on their boards they have no facts to back up the criticism. They are probably drawing support because nobody likes to think. Nobody wants to rock the boat nor upset the apple cart. It is childish for them to claim that anyone opposed to their favorite politician is on the other side just because you disagree with the status quo and current spokespeople and politicians. You have my support thus far. It would help not only me but anyone that accesses this board to know what you want to accomplish and what plans you have.
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Post by noclevername on May 3, 2024 2:49:39 GMT
This is for those who asked in pm about thoughts on this. A year ago most of what is on this board was not anything on my radar. It was news. It was all documented and there were a lot of things that could not be ignored and could not be explained away. Most people are fed daily doses of political junk and never question what they are fed. Most people would be better suited to checkers in a world that is more about chess.
There may have been groups that talked about liberty and personal responsibility. Those groups no longer exist. There may have been a time when people believed in free enterprise. Do they exist today? The best reason for being here is that you can learn how to make a difference without going along to get along. Trump supporters and the democrat socialists both want the same thing. They want a government that polices the people and restricts them. If there is no consideration for the values discussed on this board the country is screwed big time. That is the difference from an outside view. If the programs of the past were brought back to help people be more independent and informed this board would be well worth your time.
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