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Post by lee on May 12, 2023 23:14:37 GMT
I have been watching the News Day after day as Migrants cross into America. This is depressing and discouraging along with everything else going wrong in this current Administration. Everyday more Migrants cross the Border into the United States from Mexico destroying the Heart of American Culture and Society. The Elite to my belief are using this to destroy the America we grew up in and know. Anyone Foreign to America to my understanding wouldn't expect what American do in Rights. Everyone here knows we are in the fight of our lives. The question is, what do "We The People" do to stop this illegal invasion?
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Post by The Resister on May 13, 2023 4:02:03 GMT
I have been watching the News Day after day as Migrants cross into America. This is depressing and discouraging along with everything else going wrong in this current Administration. Everyday more Migrants cross the Border into the United States from Mexico destroying the Heart of American Culture and Society. The Elite to my belief are using this to destroy the America we grew up in and know. Anyone Foreign to America to my understanding wouldn't expect what American do in Rights. Everyone here knows we are in the fight of our lives. The question is, what do "We The People" do to stop this illegal invasion? Here is the rub: Realistically, there is no such thing as " illegal" immigration. This is a concept that is foreign to the right wing and detracts from their ability to do something about it. Immigration is defined in Blacks Law Dictionary as: " The coming Into a country of foreigners for purposes of permanent residence." (Emphasis mine, of course) The only in the right sees for foreigners to come into the United States is via some " legal" process. What they are inadvertently telling you without realizing it is that they have no objection to people coming here provided they follow some " legal" process. What a freaking crock! The last thing the United States needs is the MILLION people who are naturalized to be citizens in this country every year. We have more than enough citizens without importing a million new ones every year. Yet, through abject ignorance, that is EXACTLY what the build the wall crowd is advocating. There is no such thing as a " legal" path into the United States. Consider that the Declaration of Independence states: " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." We keep covering this ground, hoping someone will catch on. America was built on the presupposition that we have unalienable Rights. That means they were given by a Creator (your God, whomever you deem that to be.) Those Rights apply to all men (sic.) In theory, unalienable Rights are above the law. So, if all men are created equal AND all men have the Right to Liberty, how do you tell a foreigner that they cannot come into the United States? So, your current redress is to use the pretext that you don't care if they come in " legally," that is to become permanent residents, where they can then vote you into oblivion. Yet that is exactly what the right wing (especially Trumpers) are advocating without realizing it. There is a solution. I just won't waste bandwidth telling you how you limit the flow if you're Hell bent on doing silly things like building a wall, enforcing existing laws (most of which will ultimately be held unconstitutional), or telling people that they have to follow some " legal" path. Without being too wordy, let's say that the civilian militias of the 1980s and 1990s solved this issue. What were they doing prior to 9 / 11 that was proving to be much more effective? And how did 9 / 11 affect the way the right addressed the issue - making it worse with each passing year? Come back to the table and I'll tell you the rest of the story.
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Post by lee on May 13, 2023 17:19:10 GMT
Great summary on this subject, a little off topic I took a two-year course in College in Paralegal Studies and realize every day the more people know about LAW and understanding its truth is important. The less people know about LAW the more I believe they are subject to ignorance. Of course, there are a lot of Attorneys and people who do understand the law and regardless are very liberal and support everything Un-American. My point is I learned nothing in Public School about Law or Civics even though we had a Class on it. The watered down and complete dumbing down of American is truly an issue.
I am a MAN in my 30's that has no desire to be a woman and never has. These Elites who are using the media to manipulate the masses will be judged and punished my God. I fear the idea of The Mexican and Foreigners racing to invade the United States by changing our culture, votes, taking American jobs and so on. These people do not cherish the rights American have inherited by Birth and do not respect our culture. I have no issue with foreign people but the idea of millions or even thousands coming into American will and is destroying our country. I do not personally know but 2-3 men my age who care anything about America beyond pretending to care. Everyone else is into drugs, video games, drinking, music and care less about America. There isn't anything wrong with having a hobby or some side gig but when someone native to American cares nothing about defending its honor this is an issue.
If these foreign invaders are illegal, what do we call them? What can be done in 2023 besides relying on useless politicians?
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Post by professorx on May 14, 2023 1:39:46 GMT
Great summary on this subject, a little off topic I took a two-year course in College in Paralegal Studies and realize every day the more people know about LAW and understanding its truth is important. The less people know about LAW the more I believe they are subject to ignorance. Of course, there are a lot of Attorneys and people who do understand the law and regardless are very liberal and support everything Un-American. My point is I learned nothing in Public School about Law or Civics even though we had a Class on it. The watered down and complete dumbing down of American is truly an issue. I am a MAN in my 30's that has no desire to be a woman and never has. These Elites who are using the media to manipulate the masses will be judged and punished my God. I fear the idea of The Mexican and Foreigners racing to invade the United States by changing our culture, votes, taking American jobs and so on. These people do not cherish the rights American have inherited by Birth and do not respect our culture. I have no issue with foreign people but the idea of millions or even thousands coming into American will and is destroying our country. I do not personally know but 2-3 men my age who care anything about America beyond pretending to care. Everyone else is into drugs, video games, drinking, music and care less about America. There isn't anything wrong with having a hobby or some side gig but when someone native to American cares nothing about defending its honor this is an issue. If these foreign invaders are illegal, what do we call them? What can be done in 2023 besides relying on useless politicians? Not being the legal scholar it has been pointed out here and eloquently that invasion requires people to come in armed with the intent of overthrowing the government. The legal point is that the right keeps going into this with emotional arguments and losing in the end. They don't want to use the real words that get you banned on the internet. That would be racist they claim. Foreigners that are coming here are guest workers, migrant workers, undocumented but not illegal immigrants. They are not seeking to be citizens. The right is forcing that on them. That is the real issue. Calling them names does not solve anything. It does force lawmakers to make laws consistent with what the right complains about. If they are illegal then the remedy is to keep conjuring up legal methods to get them in. That makes the problem worse. The right wing especially Trump lovers are never going to quit doubling down on ignorance. The new methods of legalizing foreigners is the solution that both sides are comfortable with. That is a real problem. It does nothing to stop the flow. It only makes it worse. Let us yield to the man who has spent a lot of time on this. I'll hush for now and wait for his input.
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Post by lee on May 14, 2023 20:52:06 GMT
Thank you for clearing this up for me everyone on the board. What is the solution in the real world in your opinion to keeping the Foreigners out? The Media is doing a great job at destroying this country and the minds within it. I have watched all i believe I can of the crap show going on. I live West of Atlanta; GA and I feel like I live in a foreign country. Half of the economy is to my estimation undocumented labor in this area.
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Post by The Resister on May 15, 2023 3:50:07 GMT
Thank you for clearing this up for me everyone on the board. What is the solution in the real world in your opinion to keeping the Foreigners out? The Media is doing a great job at destroying this country and the minds within it. I have watched all i believe I can of the crap show going on. I live West of Atlanta; GA and I feel like I live in a foreign country. Half of the economy is to my estimation undocumented labor in this area. This is a complex subject and one where Trump supporters have little knowledge of. Let's try to make sense of it so that you understand the solution. The Declaration of Independence provides: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."-So, if all men are created equal and if Liberty is an unalienable Right, how do you propose that we deny to foreigners the unalienable Right of coming to the United States to conduct lawful activities? An unalienable Right is given by a Creator. How do you deny that to another individual? Every Right you have under the Bill of Rights is dependent upon on how you answer that question. Your Right to keep and bear Arms is on the line in the courts today because the Trump supporters don't understand this issue. Trump attacks due process and his legions of followers buy into his B.S. that we can ignore the guarantee of due process. Rights either come from God OR government bestows them on you. It's that simple. If we say that foreigners cannot have sanctuary cities, then WE cannot have Second Amendment sanctuary cities. It's that " equal protection" clause of the illegally ratified Fourteenth Amendment you know. It applies to all persons. If the foreigner has to be monitored 24 / 7 just to come here and be here, then Uncle Scam can force you to live in a POLICE STATE and be monitored 24 /7 / 365 - from the womb to the tomb. Let's look at a couple of things we're doing wrong: We're expecting the foreigners to become citizens AND, in preparation for their takeover, the American taxpayer pays for their children to have a public education. What? Courts have ruled that children have a " right" to our wages in order to get a free education. Adding insult to injury, we do not focus on with-holding citizenship and maybe even having a moratorium on people being naturalized until we straighten this all out. Next, due to anti-discrimination laws, most people feel compelled to rent to non-Whites and that means if they can afford to be here, we will just keep doing business with them. Look, if you're looking for a bumper sticker solution, you won't get one here. The simplest thing you can do in your life is that if you don't want foreigners here, then don't hire them. Don't buy from them. Don't sell to them. Don't do business with people or businesses that do use their labor. EVERY time you shop at Wallyworld, you are being a part of the problem, not part of the solution. With me, I do use their services. You see, I try to get people to work for me and when I have a job available, White guys show up in their 90 grand decked out truck with their boasts that they are licensed, insured, bonded, and U.S. Big Brother government approved. And that man didn't get out of bed for less than a thousand dollars... and all you needed was someone to change the valve out in your toilet! It was a fifteen minute job. Hmmm. One of our problems is expecting the government to do a job we could do ourselves. Those of us on the lower end of the financial spectrum still need things done and we have to live, but we may not be able to use the services of people who get a month's worth of our salary for a simple service call. Here is the REAL problem: White Americans (especially them) have NO entrepreneurial spirit. They won't go out and start small businesses and cater to lower income groups while establishing themselves. Noooo... they expect to spend a hundred grand to go into business and charge what the big box people do. And since the Whites would rather draw unemployment and welfare than to start small and build their own businesses, the work is left to big box companies and undocumented foreigners. We are expecting the government to save us from ourselves. As long as there is work and there are people willing to work, they are not going to pay much attention to bureaucratic government regulations. But, now you know what " we" can do in this instance. If you know people that will do landscape work with a shovel, mattock and wheelbarrow for $150 a day, hit me up. After such a person works a few months, they can buy more and more equipment as they build a client base. Then they can charge more and more money and get good enough to work for those people on the higher end of the financial spectrum. This is just a start, but check in and we can keep going. We have lots to talk about.
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Post by lee on May 15, 2023 20:08:01 GMT
Very good points you have made. I have long said when we purchase from the undocumented and hire them, we are supporting them. A issue many people make is they are busy with school, work, children, or whatever else. I understand myself people have priories but as a man of God and an American I know it is my duty to vote, participate in helping our community and preventing the problems America has. Many people listen to what the Media says and pushes daily. Why? Why don't people think for themselves anymore?
As a young American I have begun monitoring the issues we are having and there are so many it can fill up pages. I do everything I can to prevent undocumented from earning off my dollar here in my community. Where I live there is a large Hispanic population where maybe 6% speak English. I have no issue with them personally, but it has destroyed the community, the economy has been lost to the entire Hispanic population here nearly.
We are expected to learn Spanish and employers are asking for more Bilingual employees. What I foresee is more undocumented hire into the work force soon and less Americans working due to not being able to speak Spanish as well. I refuse to learn another language to live in a country where we speak English. The time to prevent the storm is now and it must all stop now. We need to as a "People" turn around any efforts for the undocumented to prevail in our communities. If we could accomplish this maybe, they would go home.
The undocumented are one of many problems we have but the point is the problem is growing into a bigger problem day by day.
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Post by The Resister on May 16, 2023 12:46:44 GMT
Very good points you have made. I have long said when we purchase from the undocumented and hire them, we are supporting them. A issue many people make is they are busy with school, work, children, or whatever else. I understand myself people have priories but as a man of God and an American I know it is my duty to vote, participate in helping our community and preventing the problems America has. Many people listen to what the Media says and pushes daily. Why? Why don't people think for themselves anymore? As a young American I have begun monitoring the issues we are having and there are so many it can fill up pages. I do everything I can to prevent undocumented from earning off my dollar here in my community. Where I live there is a large Hispanic population where maybe 6% speak English. I have no issue with them personally, but it has destroyed the community, the economy has been lost to the entire Hispanic population here nearly. We are expected to learn Spanish and employers are asking for more Bilingual employees. What I foresee is more undocumented hire into the work force soon and less Americans working due to not being able to speak Spanish as well. I refuse to learn another language to live in a country where we speak English. The time to prevent the storm is now and it must all stop now. We need to as a "People" turn around any efforts for the undocumented to prevail in our communities. If we could accomplish this maybe, they would go home. The undocumented are one of many problems we have but the point is the problem is growing into a bigger problem day by day. I would say that the foreign floodtide into America is virtually insurmountable at this point. In the 1990s the conservative right had this issue under control. Civilian militias were starting to help landowners along the border to protect their property lines and that left the government to patrol and control the land held by the government. That gave Uncle Scam a lot less property to protect. Then came the incident wherein Ranch Rescue got into a tiff with some Salvadorans who were trying to make an improper entry via the private property of a land owner. That ended with the courts tossing members of Ranch Rescue into prison and giving the landowner's ranch to the Salvadorans over a " civil rights" violation. Today, it is beyond any argument. Legally speaking, civilians cannot stop foreigners from crossing the border because the foreigners civil rights trump the landowners private property Rights. A quarter of a century ago, when all this happened, I tried to get the militias to fight back in the courts and appeal the ruling that gave the foreigners carte blanche to come into the United States. But, they were content to dress up in their cammies and play Homeland (IN) Security auxiliary wannabes. Today they cannot understand the issue and the proposed solutions they are asking for only culminates with the foreigners coming in by the droves because the ONLY issue that those suffering with Trump Worship Syndrome can see is the so - called " legal status" of those coming in. We just need to cut through the B.S. The politicians are being told that the Trump worshippers don't want people here due to some " legal status." So, the government says "okay, we will seek ways to process their paperwork so that they can come in " legally." They call it immigration and immigration, as shown earlier, means people coming in for permanent residence. Illegal immigration is code that only means we want people to come in and become permanent residents. Okay, so they come in and become citizens. Then they vote you into oblivion. What was your fighting really about? The moral here is to be careful what you ask for. This is my personal view: Each of us has to decide what an unalienable Right is and WHO it should apply to. The Declaration of Independence says " all men" have unalienable Rights. That being the case, when foreigners come here to partake of Liberty and engage in lawful pursuits, there is nothing illegal about it. It makes me cringe when stupid Americans think one should have to become a citizen in order to work a job here and make some money. It's bad enough that we're educating the third world at taxpayer expense. Now, the Trumpers want these people to become citizens and vote us completely out of power? We don't need any more citizens. We should have a three year moratorium on immigration so that the immigration officials can get caught up and the cases under control. Whether the masses understand what they're asking for and whether they agree with me or not is irrelevant. If you look back at the last quarter of a century, their lobbying efforts have been for naught. The fact is, more people have come in over the last quarter of a century since the Nazis and now Trumpers have controlled the narrative than in any ONE HUNDRED YEAR period in this country's history. They are just exacerbating the issue because they don't understand the simplicity of what they are actually asking for. That gives us five specific things that WE have to change. If you're still interested, I will post them.
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Post by noclevername on May 17, 2023 15:04:42 GMT
It looks like our homeboy took a hike. The conversation was going great. This is idle curiousity. If the militias were guarding private property and the government only had to police government land what other things were being done or could be done to keep people from flowing into the country?
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Post by lee on May 17, 2023 21:14:28 GMT
I haven't taken a hike, had a family emergency gentleman.
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Post by lee on May 17, 2023 21:39:31 GMT
Resister, I find your post extremely educational and informative. You are the kind of individual we need at every City Counsel and in every public office. Lobbying has become a system where many politicians just accept money and destroy our country. I personally can't stand lobbying. My mother kept a lobbyist child one summer and he told her it was a lucrative business and that he told my mom in a vague way he paid politicians off. I work at a job where I work around a lot of History. Location I will leave anonymous, my point here is in all the years I have worked here I find a lot of people who are educated and support True Freedom. I also see a huge problem in that many Americans, especially younger Americans do not understand civics. I even saw a article online last night where there are After School Programs in California where students can now participate in Satanic Worship.
We must get our country back. We are slipping away and fast. I have asked people where I work if they understand the term unalienable Rights and you would be shocked at the responses received. I have asked questions that are very simple. My point is Civics is something everyone needs to know, and few understand the Law. We have to gain ground back to gaining all our Freedoms back and quick. I am young and very concerned for everyone. I am livid at the people who sale this country out.
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Post by The Resister on May 18, 2023 15:20:26 GMT
Resister, I find your post extremely educational and informative. You are the kind of individual we need at every City Counsel and in every public office. Lobbying has become a system where many politicians just accept money and destroy our country. I personally can't stand lobbying. My mother kept a lobbyist child one summer and he told her it was a lucrative business and that he told my mom in a vague way he paid politicians off. I work at a job where I work around a lot of History. Location I will leave anonymous, my point here is in all the years I have worked here I find a lot of people who are educated and support True Freedom. I also see a huge problem in that many Americans, especially younger Americans do not understand civics. I even saw a article online last night where there are After School Programs in California where students can now participate in Satanic Worship. We must get our country back. We are slipping away and fast. I have asked people where I work if they understand the term unalienable Rights and you would be shocked at the responses received. I have asked questions that are very simple. My point is Civics is something everyone needs to know, and few understand the Law. We have to gain ground back to gaining all our Freedoms back and quick. I am young and very concerned for everyone. I am livid at the people who sale this country out. My hope is that if you get one takeaway from this discussion it will be to identify the grantor of unalienable Rights. The government grants the privileges and immunities mentioned in the Fourteenth Amendment; they grant some " rights" (like civil rights as an example); the government even grants inalienable rights. But only your Creator (your God, whomever you deem that to be) grants unalienable Rights and those Rights are above the law (or so the courts have previously ruled.) But, back to the fight. When it comes to Rights, most people think that government grants us our Rights and that we can have a majority vote and change Rights by way of a popularity contest. We can't. And that brings me to a part of this discussion that you have to consider in view of the facts. Only weeks after the ratification of the Constitution, Congress passed the first naturalization law limiting citizenship to " free white persons." In the Constitution non-whites were only taxed at the rate of 3/5ths of a person. The privileges of voting and holding public office were limited to white Christians. We've been programmed to believe that this is racist or unfair and only white supremacists would do such a thing; however, I've pointed out that this is standard operating procedure in a lot of foreign countries. Adding insult to injury that only changed with the illegal ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. All of the globalism, racial / cultural amalgamation and multiculturalism exist only by way of an illegally ratified amendment to the Constitution, force, fear and publicly humiliating those who dare advocate a return to our roots. Equality only exists because the left is pointing guns at those on the right, FORCING them to accept a dishonest narrative about America. Our problem is that the right is buying into the left's narrative. The people on the right feign being offended when being called racists and then they set out to give examples of how they are more culturally mixed than the left. The problem is they bought into their own propaganda and now suffer from cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is the psychological term for the person who holds two contradicting values at the same time. So, here we have the right complaining about multiculturalism and the floodtide of foreigners, but holding onto the idea that it is dishonorable to be in favor of the advancement, protection and preservation of their white Christian culture. A person will have personal relationships with people not of the same race, religion or value system as themselves, but be upset when America begins to look like the third world. This has led to the right buying into things like the nutty wall idea. The wall idea was the left's idea, not the constitutionalists idea. As a result the right then adopted the REAL ID Act / National ID - E Verify crap that led to us being monitored from the womb to the tomb via the Socialist Surveillance Number - I mean " Social Security Number" (SSN) where we are under surveillance 24 / 7 / 365. Because we fail to properly identify the problem, the right has to manufacture a justification for their agenda. They label it as " illegal immigration" (a legal impossibility) wherein ALL foreigners are obligated to become permanent residents in order to partake of the free market. Just because someone comes here to take advantage of economic opportunities willingly offered does not mean they should become a citizen, vote, receive a free education at taxpayer expense or have the same privileges as citizens. THAT is where the right and I have a difference of opinion. I'm of the mindset that says when you force people to become citizens and they have the votes to over-rule you, what would stop them? It's bad enough they flood the country, but making citizens out of them? Are they really jealous that they falsely believe the absence of an SSN means the foreigners don't pay the " income tax?" Do they expect me to believe we would jeopardize the status of our country over that? Now, you're probably ready for the answers. Right?
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Post by lee on May 19, 2023 18:36:39 GMT
Yes, I am very anxious for the answers. I had a discussion with someone in the store yesterday and I told him doesn't the undocumented children receiving the same education your child is bother you? He said not at all, taxes pay for it all. I said to him, you pay taxes but the undocumented are not paying taxes, yet the children are receiving services that your children receive that you pay for. This idiom responds to me saying "Well if it isn't on Fox news, it must not be a issue." I mentioned to him do you love the Fourth branch of Government? He responded what's that? In short, he could care less and would rather someone else worry about it. He was too worried about Fishing. So many people do not know how or do not want any responsibly besides work and hobbies.
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Post by The Resister on Jun 1, 2023 20:48:50 GMT
Yes, I am very anxious for the answers. I had a discussion with someone in the store yesterday and I told him doesn't the undocumented children receiving the same education your child is bother you? He said not at all, taxes pay for it all. I said to him, you pay taxes but the undocumented are not paying taxes, yet the children are receiving services that your children receive that you pay for. This idiom responds to me saying "Well if it isn't on Fox news, it must not be a issue." I mentioned to him do you love the Fourth branch of Government? He responded what's that? In short, he could care less and would rather someone else worry about it. He was too worried about Fishing. So many people do not know how or do not want any responsibly besides work and hobbies. Therein lies the problem. Most people vote for politicians they do not know based upon the word of a controlled news media. Even Faux News was controlled by Rupert Murdoch and a Saudi Prince during Trump's tenure as president and going back to the early days of that Trojan Horse outlet. Do you honestly think that Rupert, a bigwig at the Council on Foreign Relations, is going to allow right wing people to make progress toward realizing any goal to save this country? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there are some things we have to acknowledge if we want to EVER fight for Liberty. I will do some posts here to clear the air for those who play games with immigration since that single issue intersects with every other political issue.Our first presupposition is that America was founded as a constitutional Republic based on Christian principles. It is not, never was and never will be a theocracy as long as we are under the Constitution of the United States as it was originally written and intended. Our country is based upon the concept of Liberty and that is an unalienable Right. Our second presupposition is that America was founded for the advancement, preservation and protection of Whites. Within weeks of the ratification of the Constitution the legislature enacted the first immigration law known as the Naturalization Act of 1790 and restricted citizenship to " free white persons." Those presuppositions came under fire with the War of Northern Aggression (aka the Civil War.) This stuff culminates in the illegally ratified Fourteenth Amendment which was pushed on the pretext of giving Blacks a " right to vote." What the Fourteenth Amendment accomplished was to create two classes of citizens: Preamble Citizens and Fourteenth Amendment citizens.
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Post by lee on Jun 2, 2023 20:36:36 GMT
Very interesting, as a History Major I find what you are saying True regarding the 14th Amendment and The War Against Northern Aggression. The Elites have manipulated the Truth so many people do not even know much of it anymore. I care and I hope everyone cares. What is the bearer of bad news?
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